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Post by wingedwishes on Nov 4, 2020 19:29:39 GMT -8
I contacted Pooks Hill that John suggested and asked about non research permits (that is commercial) and got this response:
Hi Tyson,
The forestry department only has forms for permits if you are doing research but they suggested to me that you could collect from a Butterfly farm. I have spoken to Robin Greaves of Green Hills Butterfly Farm and he is happy for you to collect there. They are not too far from us.
We would be pleased if you still wanted to stay at Pook's Hill (Green Hill's doesn't have accommodation). We would be happy to put our light on in the evenings.
If you would like any further information, do let us know.
with regards,
Vicki
I think I'd need some document from the forestry department when returning to the USA???
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Post by kevinkk on Nov 4, 2020 19:46:19 GMT -8
I voted, just for fun I suppose. If I go out of the country, it's going to be after another death in the family, and I can wait for that. Some of us can't travel because of other obligations. I'm envious, of the variety, and the experiences. When and if I get out of the USA, it'll be researched and somewhere I'm comfortable with. One time, at 16, I went with an entomology tour to the Dominican Republic, it was itinerary specific, but I and a number of others opted to stay at the original lodge location in the mountains, what I did discover, is that you can make it on your own, at least in the 80's, I'm sure a guide would be helpful now, as well as doing research on everything. Meaning everything. I'd prefer to not be kidnapped, my brother probably wouldn't pay a ransom.He likes me fine, but hey.
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Post by Paul K on Nov 4, 2020 19:49:47 GMT -8
If one collect without permit which is required for collecting, it will not be possible to export specimens out of the country. What would you say on airport? I just collected on Robins farm. Customs won’t buy it at least I think they won’t. I suppose if you could ask for export permit or at least get some document from forestry .
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Post by wingedwishes on Nov 4, 2020 20:16:16 GMT -8
If one collect without permit which is required for collecting, it will not be possible to export specimens out of the country. What would you say on airport? I just collected on Robins farm. Customs won’t buy it at least I think they won’t. I suppose if you could ask for export permit or at least get some document from forestry . Yup- 'they stated'is never acceptable. Well,waiting for more data.
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Post by jshuey on Nov 5, 2020 6:03:15 GMT -8
I contacted Pooks Hill that John suggested and asked about non research permits (that is commercial) and got this response: Hi Tyson, The forestry department only has forms for permits if you are doing research but they suggested to me that you could collect from a Butterfly farm. I have spoken to Robin Greaves of Green Hills Butterfly Farm and he is happy for you to collect there. They are not too far from us. We would be pleased if you still wanted to stay at Pook's Hill (Green Hill's doesn't have accommodation). We would be happy to put our light on in the evenings. If you would like any further information, do let us know. with regards, Vicki I think I'd need some document from the forestry department when returning to the USA??? So, I've never used Pooks Hill to obtain a permit - but they supported Mathew Barnes' permits for years to collect moths at the site. Why do not propose to do some "research" and update his findings? (see www.mbarnes.force9.co.uk/belizemoths/belizehome.htm). If they go for that, then you have a permit. Once you have a permit, you are good to go coming back into the US as long as your permit covers the major insect orders you intend to collect. Green Hill is Jan Meerman's old place. He sold it and moved to Belomopan a couple years ago. I think the new owner is exporting pupae plus running the local butterfly house. When Jan had it, it was amaizing. You have never seen so many Caligo and Morpho in one place before! john
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Post by wingedwishes on Nov 5, 2020 11:50:40 GMT -8
John,
Good data indeed.
A product of my collecting would produce photos and cataloging of species found with location etc.
I think I should ask Mr. Barnes if he would accept detailed data and photographs for supplementing his research site.
I've already written to Green Hill and am awaiting a reply.
Cheers, Tyson
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Post by wingedwishes on Nov 5, 2020 12:13:01 GMT -8
Ok, sent a message to Mr. Barnes. His website is good. I think I can expand data there by a large amount.
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Post by wingedwishes on Nov 10, 2020 14:22:08 GMT -8
I am very sure I'm going to Belize. I spoke with Robin Greaves at Green Hills Ranch and sine he has the permits there and in America, he will send them on to me from his home in Texas. Problem solved. Looks like he can save and sell specimens prior to my arrival. He has night collecting equipment too! Looks like June will be our expedition.
Tyson
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Post by coloradeo on Nov 10, 2020 18:22:22 GMT -8
Wow, sounds awesome. Thanks for playing this out on the boards so we can learn from your experience in setting this up -- and John's experience doing this over the years. Appreciate you both and the other folks who chimed in. Can't wait to see how it all turns out. Would be a Top 5 item for me someday too.
Eric
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Post by exoticimports on Nov 10, 2020 19:06:03 GMT -8
Bring a photo of Jshuey as a talisman to hang around your neck.
Belize isn’t what it was, but that’s a people issue, I don’t think the bugs care.
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Post by wingedwishes on Nov 10, 2020 20:13:00 GMT -8
Going to be a long 6 months.We will go in June of 2021.
Mikes Place Belize was recommended as a place to stay/sleep and the price looks good.
So far the 3 largest costs will be (rounded up)
1. Round trip for me and daughter -$ 900 2. 14 day room rental at Mikes - $ 700 3. Lep purchases..? High guess $3,000
smaller costs
Food etc...$1,000
Transportation may be paid for shuttling rather than renting. Not decided yet.
Of course there will be massive photos and videos.
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Post by wingedwishes on Nov 10, 2020 20:16:49 GMT -8
Bring a photo of Jshuey as a talisman to hang around your neck. Belize isn’t what it was, but that’s a people issue, I don’t think the bugs care. Between Mike and Robin we will be safe and have a work around for legal export.
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