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Post by papiliotheona on Dec 22, 2013 16:38:36 GMT -8
I believe collecting is against the law (or very, very nearly so) in every single one of these countries named. As Adam Cotton pointed out India completely outlaws collecting--they're worse than Brazil, even. Their laws are based in Hinduism--that beetle you kill could be somebody's resurrected grandmother.
I don't think China (and Tibet) are much better. I think in China if you have the right university connections and have the cash to pay a government-sponsored chaperone to accompany you at all times in the field, it's doable (at least according to Chris Grinter's blog).
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Post by papiliotheona on Dec 9, 2013 14:12:28 GMT -8
This crap is the way that *all* international collecting is rapidly going--that of the dodo.
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Post by papiliotheona on Dec 9, 2013 14:10:09 GMT -8
Have you tried to get the Argentina permit?
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Post by papiliotheona on Dec 4, 2013 13:26:54 GMT -8
Where do you get your information from Jaguarae? Just about everywhere requires a permit, but sometimes foreigners can get one. I was under the impression you can get one from Argentina.
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Post by papiliotheona on Dec 3, 2013 16:57:58 GMT -8
It's news to me that Argentina is completely off-limits to collecting. A famous international butterfly breeder resides there and as far as I know he has never had any problems. Also, I knew someone who about seven years ago collected in Argentina with a permit.
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Post by papiliotheona on Nov 30, 2013 18:22:47 GMT -8
A friend taught me the trick of relaxing in paper towels soaked in white vinegar. So far it works like a dream--mold is inhibited and the specimen fully reconstitutes with no fading, staining, or running like ammonia causes. Of course I still often inject a little room-temp water even after this.
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Post by papiliotheona on Nov 29, 2013 9:16:34 GMT -8
I thought that insects can legally be collected in China if you are working under the auspices of a government-sanctioned guide. At least that is what was implied by Chris Grinter's entry for China on his blog. But of course that's worthless if they will not give you a CITES permit.
Are there any places anywhere on planet earth that will issue CITES permits to private collectors or is this forbidden by CITES?
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Post by papiliotheona on Nov 28, 2013 14:23:33 GMT -8
I thought you also said China, Burma/Myanmar, etc. In China there are "legal" Bhutanitis, but they will not issue CITES papers for private collectors, so in practice there are *no* legal Bhutanitis anywhere these days.
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Post by papiliotheona on Nov 27, 2013 20:58:07 GMT -8
Adam Cotton has said here in this section that no nation issues CITES permits to recreational collectors, only to licensed companies with a presence in said country that are doing valid research, and sometimes not even for that. I did a little research on my own and indeed that is the case, at least for Asia.
Question: is this part of the stipulation of CITES law, or is this simply what the nations are choosing to do in terms of their implementation of it?
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Post by papiliotheona on Nov 13, 2013 9:54:28 GMT -8
I think two-legged predators are a lot more dangerous than wild animals, at least in the US.
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Post by papiliotheona on Nov 12, 2013 18:09:24 GMT -8
FWS is crazy--crazy like a fox!
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Post by papiliotheona on Nov 12, 2013 18:05:41 GMT -8
It seems like it would be a rather moot point because no country issues CITES permits for reasons other than "valid scientific research" by official figures, and oftentimes not even for that.
In any case, I agree with Adam Cotton. The CITES people don't care if stuff goes extinct or not; if something goes extinct they can just conveniently blame "poaching" which they will use to add even more species to the no-collect list, while they crawl back into bed with their big business benefactors.
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Post by papiliotheona on Oct 10, 2013 8:08:04 GMT -8
Thanks. Where is Miguel based out of and does he have all the permits for stuff?
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Post by papiliotheona on Oct 10, 2013 8:05:59 GMT -8
In other words, it is not possible to get legal, new material of these taxa anywhere, in any way, today...?
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Post by papiliotheona on Oct 9, 2013 15:35:30 GMT -8
Adam, what was the driving force behind this stupid protected list to begin with? Was it pressure from Western do-gooders or something else? Very much the former, I'm afraid. For many years Thailand was placed on the CITES blacklist of countries not complying with the convention. In order to be seen to be complying with CITES (and thus remove the economic restrictions placed on the country) they not only drew up laws to ratify CITES itself but also initiated separate protected species laws on top. Adam. Wow, that's scary. I had no idea that countries faced international economic sanctions (like Iran or Iraq or apartheid South Africa) for permitting insect collecting. I guess that explains why all these places have instituted such ridiculous and stupid laws, even when we know full well they do not care about wildlife. How is Laos being punished for allowing Steeve Collard to operate his business and collect/sell Teinopalpus?
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