|
Post by Dany on Aug 13, 2013 2:22:53 GMT -8
Does the hybrid larva have the same parasitic problem as the larva of hospiton? Yes, of course.
|
|
|
|
Post by exoticimports on Aug 16, 2013 7:44:50 GMT -8
Isn't there an exception for pre-CITES specimens? I know there is for elephant ivory.
|
|
|
Post by suzuki on Aug 16, 2013 12:27:42 GMT -8
I believe that strictly speaking you have to get a pre cities permit unless the specimens are very old.
|
|
|
Post by wolf on Aug 16, 2013 13:04:40 GMT -8
As has been said several times by other members earlier in this topic. Each country choose how to enforce the CITES regulations. This means one country may require papers for old specimens, while another country not.
|
|
|
Post by Adam Cotton on Aug 20, 2013 8:53:41 GMT -8
I just checked the current CITES appendices, and Papilio hospiton is now in CITES appendix 2. As well as that, it seems that Papilio aristodemus ponceanus has been totally deleted from CITES. Here is the current list of CITES species at www.cites.org/eng/app/appendices.phpAppendix 1: Ornithoptera alexandrae Papilio chikae Papilio homerusAppendix 2: Atrophaneura jophon Atrophaneura pandiyana Bhutanitis spp. Ornithoptera spp. (Except the species included in Appendix I) Papilio hospiton Parnassius apollo Teinopalpus spp. Trogonoptera spp. Troides spp.Appendix 3: Agrias amydon boliviensis (Plurinational State of Bolivia) Morpho godartii lachaumei (Plurinational State of Bolivia) Prepona praeneste buckleyana (Plurinational State of Bolivia) I assume this must be the result of deliberations at the last CITES meeting. Does anyone have any details about the changes? Adam.
|
|
|
Post by dertodesking on Aug 20, 2013 9:31:25 GMT -8
Adam, Found this on the traffic.org website. It appears the change to the status of hospiton was made by...Denmark! CoP16_Prop49.pdf (48.34 KB) Simon
|
|
|
|
Post by Adam Cotton on Aug 20, 2013 9:59:50 GMT -8
Of course the change in CITES status of Papilio hospiton doesn't have any effect on French, Italian or EU regulations protecting this butterfly.
Adam.
|
|
|
Post by dertodesking on Aug 20, 2013 10:25:37 GMT -8
Of course the change in CITES status of Papilio hospiton doesn't have any effect on French, Italian or EU regulations protecting this butterfly. Adam. Adam, Indeed...as the transfer recommendation states "Available evidence suggests that Papilio hospiton no longer meets the biological criteria for inclusion in Appendix I, as the population cannot be considered small (estimated at over 10 000 adults) nor can its area of distribution (over 20 000 km2) be considered small. The population is thought to be stable or increasing and faces no major threats. The species does not appear to be in demand for international trade, nor is its transfer to Appendix II likely to stimulate trade in, or cause enforcement problems for, any other species included in Appendix I. There may be some demand for the species from collectors, however, it is legally protected under the EU Habitats Directive, protected nationally in both its range States and a considerable proportion of its range lies within protected areas. Even if transfer to Appendix II were to stimulate demand for the species, the population is believed to be able to withstand a certain level of collection pressure and the range States appear to have the necessary management and enforcement capacity and controls in place." (my bold). Simon
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 3:17:43 GMT -8
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 3:19:46 GMT -8
|
|
|
Post by wollastoni on Aug 22, 2013 4:07:43 GMT -8
Both are common species locally. The CITES protection does nothing than artificially raising the prices.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 4:51:27 GMT -8
|
|
|
Post by suzuki on Sept 2, 2013 10:08:13 GMT -8
The prices seem to be going up as their availability increases.Strange.
|
|
|
Post by exoticimports on Dec 27, 2016 20:32:22 GMT -8
I have a strange series from an antique collection. I know I should post a photo, but they are not all in the same tray.
P. hospiton from Sardinia is as expected.
Hospiton X machaon. Is this possible? Never mind, I remember there is such a series at BMNH.
Two machaon complex from Korsika both exhibit concave FW and longer tails, while hospiton is convex with short tails. Is machaon also on Korsika? Internet confirms both co-exist.
P. machaon? from Hanover "Germania" 1938, leg. "Dr. A. Schulte" small like hospiton, convex FW, shorter tails, I suppose it could be passed off as hospiton. Who would have recorded it as "Germania"? Why does it look overall more like hospiton?
I know I'm going to end up posting a darned photo, dammit. At least I answered a couple of my questions with the wonder of the internet.
|
|
|
Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 28, 2016 0:43:12 GMT -8
Indeed P. machaon does occur on Corsica and quite often produces natural hybrids with hospiton, but since they are sterile there is no genetic interchange between the two species.
Probably your Hanover machaon is first generation, which is smaller and darker than the summer form.
I found a reference to an obituary of Dr. Adolf Schulte, but the link is down (eurekamag.com seems to have been shut down): Staven, Klaus., 2001: A life devoted to Lepidoptera Obituary of Dr Adolf Schulte Ein Leben fuer die Schmetterlinge Nachruf auf Dr Adolf Schulte.
I don't know where this paper was published, perhaps someone on Insectnet has more information.
Adam.
|
|