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Post by exoticimports on May 29, 2018 14:57:43 GMT -8
Chuck, I presume the box will contain a list with address of the next person it's to go to. Will there be a time limit to keep the box between shipments, say a couple of weeks? Cheers, jh I’ll circulate by email a list of contact info for everyone in the exchange. It will be in the order of rotation ie you send to the person immediately following you on the list. I’d like it to be sent on within a week. If we figure a week shipping it should make the round back to me in roughly 12–16 weeks. So each participant would get it every 3 - 4 months. If after time that proves to be too fast we could back it off to once or twice a year.
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Post by jhyatt on May 30, 2018 4:46:40 GMT -8
Sounds good, Chuck. Might occasionally hit a time when a member is out of town for a week or two, but he or she could e-mail the next recipient or the whole group and explain the delay.
I'm easy on less-than-perfect material too, as long as there is good data. My interests are world-wide butterflies generally (except from Africa). I like Lycaenids and skippers, but I have pretty thorough US coverage on those groups already. My trading boxes have lots of southern US material, old neotropical stuff, a lot of palearctic butteflies, some decent US moths, etc. Let the swapping begin!
Regards, jh
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Post by marsdenda on May 31, 2018 7:31:34 GMT -8
Chuck,
Maybe it would be easier to start if each of the 8 of us sent you 10 butterflies to start so the box would be complete as it makes it rounds the first time.
Dave
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Post by exoticimports on May 31, 2018 19:22:55 GMT -8
Chuck, Maybe it would be easier to start if each of the 8 of us sent you 10 butterflies to start so the box would be complete as it makes it rounds the first time. Dave Good idea to get the box loaded but too much wait. I’ll just overload my share to start so the early recipients have a decent selection. Thanks for the critique though and good point. I also have to try to bounce it back and forth geographically no sense in it going to three Arizona participants in a row. I’m busy this week failing to catch a female maynardi so ill kick it off next week when I get home. Can’t wait to get rid of my horrid catocala. Dumped the morphos and troides a decade ago now I can finally clean house.
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Post by exoticimports on Jun 4, 2018 5:51:42 GMT -8
OK, I'm back home.
Beetlehorn Bugboys3 Coloradeo Marsenda Leptraps Joee30 Mikeh Jhyatt
I'm compiling the contact list and have PMed several of you for the required information. Do need email and phone numbers if you haven't sent it, and I do suggest a "wish list", though that's optional. Please read your PMs.
Remember, this is Leps only- no beetles, no bugs.
We have participants in NY, WI, CO, AZ, KY, NV and TN, so roughly three regions (to my mind). Oddly nobody from CA or the south, but that's OK. I'll try to come up with a rotation that bounces it back and forth.
There are, of course, rules: 1. Lepidoptera only
2. Mark each specimen you contribute so it can be identified as to who put it in. It can be your name, or your initials, but every specimen must clearly ID who put it in the box. The specimen does not need to be identified to species; if you can that's great, but not always possible. Collecting data a plus, but also limited. I would suggest NOT contributing specimens that have zero data.
3. When you get the box the first time, put in ten specimens.
4. On subsequent rotations, when you get the box, remove any of your specimens that remain and replace them with equal quantity. For example, if the box comes back to you with four of your specimens, remove them and replace them with four specimens.
5. You may take up to ten specimens. You don't have to take ten, but you can't take more than ten. Replace the quantity of specimens you take with an equal quantity.
6. Don't put in extra specimens, though you're a nice guy. We want to keep the box fresh and interesting, so keep to the limit. Based on #4 and #5, when you send the box it should have between 10 and 20 of your specimens; the exception is me, because I will overload my contribution to get it started.
7. Be considerate and use common sense. No super common stuff. The best condition specimens are appreciated, though certainly there is balance between rarity and condition (eg I'm happy with a B quality C. Sepulchralis). Don't put in 10 of the same or similar species unless you think that the rest of the participants will pull out all 10. Don't replace a specimen with the same species you just pulled out.
8. Pack the box properly, like you received it.
9. Try to send the box on within one week. This is not hard and fast since people travel for work and holidays, but only in the rarest case should it exceed two weeks. Look at the list enclosed in the box, and send it to the next person on the list. Make sure the list goes back in the box.
10. Anyone who abuses this wonderful opportunity will be dropped.
Anything I forgot?
A number of us participated in a similar program 30 years ago and it was great! It eventually fizzled out because some people were using it as a dumping ground for junk. With regular field work, everyone should have plenty of fresh material to keep this moving for years.
Chuck
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Post by marsdenda on Jun 4, 2018 15:24:08 GMT -8
I have a suggestion, put in a written list of the 10 specimens you put in the box, that way if somebody else wants the specimen and it is already been taken you can add another one when the box comes around again to you. Otherwise most of us would only put the species in once so it would not be available again. You could put a check mark by the species if you are interested that way everyone can get the species they want if it is already gone. With 8 people that is more likely to occur.
Dave
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Post by exoticimports on Jun 5, 2018 5:26:30 GMT -8
I have a suggestion, put in a written list of the 10 specimens you put in the box, that way if somebody else wants the specimen and it is already been taken you can add another one when the box comes around again to you. Otherwise most of us would only put the species in once so it would not be available again. You could put a check mark by the species if you are interested that way everyone can get the species they want if it is already gone. With 8 people that is more likely to occur. Dave Hi Dave, thanks for the idea. Certainly, there is that concern that somebody might miss out. I think it's too much paperwork to track specimens. My suggestion is to keep a mental or personal notes on what you put in, and if a species is not there when the box comes back to you, put another one in. If it comes back to you next time, figure either everyone has that species or they didn't like that specimen and make your best judgement. BTW check your PMs, I need one bit of info from you for the list. Chuck
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Post by exoticimports on Jun 5, 2018 8:55:29 GMT -8
OK, I have a good plastic "tupperware" and a box to put the specimens into for shipping.
I've sorted a dozen plus fritillary and local stuff that people might like, but still have to sort through "the good stuff" to start on my end.
Hoping to get it out in the mail by the end of the week.
BY THE WAY most, but not all, participants aren't interested in Lycaenidae or Hesperidae. Hot runners are (no surprise) catocala, papilio, saturnidae and sphingidae.
Chuck
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Post by exoticimports on Jun 5, 2018 11:09:24 GMT -8
Wow, this is great, grubbing through I found four sphingids I'd never set from 2002! Two for me, two for the box.
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Post by jhyatt on Jun 5, 2018 12:24:05 GMT -8
Somehow as usual I'm the odd man out - I love Lycaenids and palearctic butterflies! But never fear, I have lots of other old stuff to put in the box when it comes around. jh
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Post by jhyatt on Jun 5, 2018 12:26:40 GMT -8
But come to think of it, maybe I'll get lucky and the rest of the group will think of me as the place to get rid of those pesky Lycaenids and skippers they don't want to spread! jh
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Post by leptraps on Jun 5, 2018 15:19:36 GMT -8
Not if I get the box first.
I have several 100 Catagramia with full data including some with GPS. All were collected in the 1980. They are in very good condition. Are those worthy of the box?
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Post by jhyatt on Jun 5, 2018 17:54:57 GMT -8
Heck, yeah, Leroy! They'd at least partially make up for you grabbing all the Lycaenids and skippers!
Cheers, jh
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Post by marsdenda on Jun 5, 2018 19:56:27 GMT -8
I have both skippers and lycaenids I do not want so with the interest I will put some in the box. Some are not so common or at least quite localized, so hopefully they will be of interest.
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Post by exoticimports on Jun 6, 2018 11:24:23 GMT -8
OK, so I loaded the box. Didn't even get into most of my papered material, so think we'll be OK for a while. Nymphalids, catocala, lycaenids, sphingids, eacles and citheronia you probably don't have, and I threw in a papilio toboroi.
One of the concerns I have is people removing specimens from envelopes, deciding they don't want it, and putting a dry specimen back in whence it breaks. If a specimen goes in and out a bunch of times chances are it will break. Thoughts?
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