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Post by mothman27 on Nov 19, 2015 5:40:38 GMT -8
Just got back from KY, AL and TN. Got the following...... Catocalas: amica sordida Ilia.....2 forms coccinota connubialus.....2 forms micronympha illecta andromedae dejecta epione ultronia.....2 forms minuta.....form parvula insolalibis clintoni I am still waiting for Illinois weather to spark the cats. Hoping to do well in July. Also got many Citheronia sepulcralis.......with one female laying ova for me....now the larvae are munching away Hi Bill, Do you have overwintering C. sepulcralis pupae? If so, would you be willing to sell me any? If not, thats OK. Thanks, Tim
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 8:36:05 GMT -8
Sorry, but the larvae did not make it past the third instar. Maybe next year I'll get another female. There are four spots I know that regularly produce.
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Post by mothman27 on Nov 19, 2015 12:26:53 GMT -8
Sorry, but the larvae did not make it past the third instar. Maybe next year I'll get another female. There are four spots I know that regularly produce. Thanks anyway, Tim
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Post by leptraps on Nov 21, 2015 5:21:07 GMT -8
Somebody ask me to post some photographs of the Catocala and other things I collected in my Bait Traps. I will try to past at least one specimen a day. This is Catocala relicta. This is the dark form. Kentucky Bath County Daniel Boone NF Clear Creek Run near Gun Range 6 August 2015
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Post by mothman27 on Nov 23, 2015 17:46:20 GMT -8
I went out this AM to collect my remaining bait traps. Several good looking Catocala vidua and a nice female C. retecta. I let them all fly. I set out three light traps in diferent location, I managed to take a couple hundred moths in each trap. I was after Papaipema moths. I collected six species, including stunning male of Papaipema new species No.4. A cane feeder, it was taken in a light trap in a large stand of cane along the Rockcastle River in Rockcaslte County,KY. I collected 50+ Eupsila moths. Not bad for a rather cool night with a low in the upper forties. To top off a night of great collecting, I stopped at the Waffle House in Mt. Sterling, KY. Greasy Steak and eggs, hash browns and biscuts. I will spend most of the day mounting moths. Are there any other Noctuid moth collector's out there? I love Papaipema moths! This year I was lucky enough to find a Papaipema cerina.
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Post by leptraps on Nov 25, 2015 5:07:43 GMT -8
This is a pair of Catocala parta, not a common moth this far south.
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Indiana Perry County CR 34B - 1/2 Mile SW of CR 182 6 August 2015 Female
Indiana Perry County CR 34B - 1/2 Mile SW of CR 182 10 August 2015
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Post by leptraps on Nov 25, 2015 5:18:10 GMT -8
This is the last Catocala moth I collected in 2015 (Which I kept, I saw others that were worn out and I let fly). The last Catocala moth that I trapped and let fly was November 2, 2015. It was a rag to say the least. It was a Cattocala neogama. This is a Catocala subnata: Kentucky Powell County FR 9A 3/4 Mile North of FR 9. Indian Creek 12 October 2015
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Post by vabrou on Dec 6, 2015 12:27:01 GMT -8
Catocala in bait trap, month of June at the Abita entomological study site, near Abita Springs, St. Tammany Parish, Louisiana, USA. This was 1/5th of what was in this one trap. I operated 8 of the same bait traps at that time. Also operating were 5 light traps as well, Averaged 1,000+ Catocalas every day/night the entire month of June.
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Post by vabrou on Dec 7, 2015 6:48:44 GMT -8
Leroy, care to venture a guess to the identity of the pair on the left vs the pair on the right. Attachments:
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Post by leptraps on Dec 7, 2015 8:45:40 GMT -8
The specimens on the left are Catocala neogama which match specimens in my collection from Mississippi and coastal Virginia. The specimens on the right are Catocala subnata which match specimens in my collection from NE Ohio.
However, I am sure that they are something you discovered from coastal Louisiana.
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Post by vabrou on Dec 19, 2015 10:35:12 GMT -8
Hi Leroy,
I think the pair on the right are not subnata, but something else very similar. I have asked Gall several times, but no answer on this one. Doubt he has an answer to this one. Not sure if it will be addressed in the MONA Fascicle. Borth say he has an ID for them.
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Post by coloradeo on Dec 19, 2015 20:12:12 GMT -8
Are Catocala addressed in a MONA Fascicle? I've been looking for which MONA details Catocala over the past couple weeks.
While we're at it, I know Moth Photographer's Group is a great resource for info to ID Catocala, but is there a 'definitive book' on North American Catocala? I've not been able to find one.
Thanks, Eric
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Post by rayrard on Dec 19, 2015 20:19:35 GMT -8
I have collected with Larry Gall and he hasn't mentioned anything amiss with C. subnata, but neogama is under study.
I believe he is working on the MONA fascicle on Catocala as we speak.
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Post by vabrou on Dec 19, 2015 20:55:47 GMT -8
The MONA Catocala Fascicle has been in preparation since the early 1980s with Auburn Brower who past away several years later, and lots of people have and are still contributing to this monumental effort. Personally, I have recorded 54 Catocala species in my state of Louisiana and I have discovered 8 new undescribed Catocala species over the decades, three of which I described in scientific literature.
Regarding, MPG photos of Catocala, these images are often useless as there may be 5 specimens illustrated for a single species, but only 2 of the 5 are actually the named species. And there are pages upon pages of similar boo-boos. Still. MPG is the best site we have for moths in North America. One must understand that because specimens are shown there, one must realize there are considerable errors. Why, because there are too many wanna-bee X-purts placing images on that site, in other words, too many beginner cooks in the kitchen.
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Post by vabrou on Dec 19, 2015 21:02:00 GMT -8
Leroy, the identity of the pair of subnata looking Catocala I posted is reported to be a relatively unknown NA Catocala species: Catocala euphemia Beutenmüller, 1907. How this species will be handled by Gall is unclear. One must realize that how one author handles some particular species may be quite the opposite of how another author may treat the same entity in a different publication. Here is one image of the rarest known unusual Catocala specimens in existence, a Catocala agrippina, bilateral aberrant and bilateral gynrandomorph. It is one of several of my captures that will appear in the upcoming MONA Catocala Fascicle
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