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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 16, 2013 8:39:00 GMT -8
Did you see the programme on the BNHM showing the butterfly collection? It's a lady that is in charge there. She says that she has been there for 5 years and there are drawers that she hasn't even opened? Somehow I don't think it's her job to go round opening each draw in turn Adam.
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Post by nomad on Jun 16, 2013 10:22:18 GMT -8
Yes, I have seen the Museum of life series and really enjoyed seeing some of the specimens that were shown. The Lady in question is Dr Blanca Huertas who is in charge of the Lepidoptera department. The programme showed her setting specimens of butterflies that were new acquisitions to the museum collections that are sent to the museum from collectors worldwide and from expeditions to remote places. Somehow considering that most of the museums lepidoptera vast collection was captured by collectors, I doubt very much they hate them in there as one member has suggested in this thread. The extensive collections consists of bequests that were made in the name of science and many that were made for pleasure by wealthy entomologists
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 11:00:52 GMT -8
Did you see the programme on the BNHM showing the butterfly collection? It's a lady that is in charge there. She says that she has been there for 5 years and there are drawers that she hasn't even opened? Somehow I don't think it's her job to go round opening each draw in turn Adam. you would think 5 years in charge she would have had a look in each drawer. I know i would have. I'm sure you would have also
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 16, 2013 12:33:29 GMT -8
you would think 5 years in charge she would have had a look in each drawer. I know i would have. I'm sure you would have also Actually I doubt that I would, partly because there are too many of them, and also because I'm only interested in one family. Dr. Huertas studies Neotropical Lepidoptera, so chances are she wouldn't examine the Oriental material herself. In any case, she is "Head of Collections Management", which involves a lot more than "looking in draws". Adam.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 13:08:36 GMT -8
I'm sure that her interest of neotropical butterflies may be the case, but i'm pretty sure that her love for butterflies as a whole is also true. It was her statement when she said that she had been there 5 years and she had still not seen the whole collection yet. As head of collections in the butterfly department doesn't mean she's just concentrating on neotropical species. Forget it now anyway, it's just a comment nothing else. Besides i said that there were drawers that she hadn't even opened yet!! I never said every drawer in turn. I was told that you were a serious person regarding issues involving lepidoptera. Chill out mate!!!
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 17, 2013 8:51:27 GMT -8
I was told that you were a serious person regarding issues involving lepidoptera. Chill out mate!!! Maybe I should give up on lighthearted replies (hence my smilies included) as you obviously didn't realise I was attempting to be less than serious. Oh well I think I'll get back to listening to some of my favourite music, I'll start with Bodies, No Feelings and Did You No Wrong Have a good day! Adam.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 9:21:11 GMT -8
sorry mate. the smiley with the wide eyes seemed to me like you were saying i was thick or something. No probs adam. I see you're a life long baggies fan. Did you enjoy the man utd match 5-5. Has to be No feelings mate. sorry again pal. pete
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 17, 2013 11:23:23 GMT -8
sorry mate. the smiley with the wide eyes seemed to me like you were saying i was thick or something. No probs adam. I see you're a life long baggies fan. Did you enjoy the man utd match 5-5. Has to be No feelings mate. sorry again pal. pete No problem, it's just a 'nerdy' smiley which I thought was appropriate for that comment, no intended implications in your direction, if anything it was a dig at myself. As for the Baggies, yes I am a Boinging Baggie (actually I run the Thailand branch of the Supporters' Club, we have about 50 members). Indeed I did enjoy the ManU match, a great way to end Fergie's reign as manager. Pity we couldn't get a sixth right at the end, but that might have spoilt his fun just that little bit too much. I've already ordered the DVD of the game to keep as a souvenir. It's called "Unmi55able"! Actually the Sex Pistols were one of the few Punk bands that I never got to see live, them and the Stranglers, although I did go to the concert at the Rainbow which introduced Public Image to the world. Everyone was expecting Sex Pistols stuff, but John Lydon didn't even do one of his old songs. Adam.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 11:47:02 GMT -8
we felt sorry for you at 5-2.
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Post by nomad on Jun 17, 2013 11:58:17 GMT -8
A few months ago I saw Public image live at Bristol, great night. John is a big fan of bugs, hence those discovery programmes. My favourite concert of the era was the Ramones at my local hall.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 17, 2013 14:19:53 GMT -8
A few months ago I saw Public image live at Bristol, great night. John is a big fan of bugs, hence those discovery programmes. My favourite concert of the era was the Ramones at my local hall. Gabba Gabba Hey! I was at the concert at the Rainbow when the Ramones recorded their live double album. I guess it was about 1979 or 1980. This is getting a little off topic, maybe Clark will not be too happy, so perhaps we should get back to discussion of access to the NHM collections? Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 17, 2013 14:26:29 GMT -8
we felt sorry for you at 5-2. I felt sorry for us at 5-2. I was at Old Trafford on 30 December 1978, when we won 5-3 - that was a really great team we had then. Anyway, shouldn't you be a Barnsley supporter? Adam.
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Post by nomad on Jun 17, 2013 20:59:23 GMT -8
Quite, back to Entomology. Now, if only I could open just a few of those drawers at the British Museum of Natural History . I would be one happy lepidopterist and bug enthusiast. Although I do not now hold out much hope!!! Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 1:23:33 GMT -8
"Anyway, shouldn't you be a Barnsley supporter"
I have only lived in Barnsley for the last 13 years, so the answer is no. My dad named me after the late, great Duncan Edwards, but I am also half Scottish and should really have grown up supporting Glasgow Rangers.
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Post by nomad on Jun 30, 2013 9:06:15 GMT -8
When I applied to see and study the Delias collection at the BMNH, I did not realize that this is a very sore point with the staff in the Entomological department. A collector friend has given me the following information. When there was open access to the lepidoptera collection, people with a genuine interest were most welcome. That is until a nefarious character entered the scene. This collector/dealer was very interested in Delias, especially it appears those that were collected by a very famous collector and his sons. This individual used to turn up with his store box with a number of Delias to compare with those historic specimens. Only known to him, he looted a number of these specimens each time he came. The losses only came to light, when a well known researcher was working on the group could not find the specimens he wished to see/photograph. Also apparently a whole drawer of Delias had vanished, not in fact the drawer but all the butterflies that it contained. The museum never got them back and they never would sell/trade any of the Delias in the Rothschild collection. I expect the missing Delias turned up in a number of collections. This despicable character has ruined the open access there and as the saying goes once bittern twice shy.
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