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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 8, 2012 1:09:21 GMT -8
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Post by hewi on Nov 8, 2012 5:05:36 GMT -8
That's one of the best entomological news I've heard this year. Adam, thank for this great information !
Manfred
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Post by suzuki on Nov 8, 2012 6:00:00 GMT -8
Await the arrival now of the Japanese!
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Post by africaone on Nov 8, 2012 6:38:39 GMT -8
given the amount of hundred (s) of thousands of dollars that represents ... it promises! the life time mean of ludlowi in the area will probably decrease soon.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 8, 2012 6:52:20 GMT -8
given the amount of hundred (s) of thousands of dollars that represents ... it promises! the life time mean of ludlowi in the area will probably decrease soon. Somehow I doubt it, since the place they were found is a protected wildlife sanctuary. India is especially strict about collecting, even of common species. Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 8, 2012 7:48:04 GMT -8
By the way, it is not so surprising that B. ludlowi has been found where it has. This is the part of Arunachal Pradesh bordering with eastern Bhutan, and as they say, butterflies do not need passports to cross man-made borders.
Adam.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 8:19:42 GMT -8
given the amount of hundred (s) of thousands of dollars that represents ... it promises! the life time mean of ludlowi in the area will probably decrease soon
I find that concept very, very unlikely, as with all so called rare species, collecting is the least of a species worries, it seems with these mythically rare species it is just a case of entomologists just not going into a particular region as has happened over the last few years with a few species, there is hope for elphenor yet.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 8, 2012 9:46:22 GMT -8
Yes, it's usually just a case of "right place, right time" to find so called *rare* species. Papilio elephenor (note 3 e's) will probably also be found in other suitable places in the Assam area. Sadly it is not able to cross the mountains into Burma, otherwise it might have a wider distribution.
Adam.
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Post by mokky on Nov 8, 2012 16:29:08 GMT -8
As is mentioned above, it is not so surprizing the discovery itself because the area where B. ludlowi has been found is close to Bhutanese border. Roughly speaking it is almost same area as easternmost Bhutan / westernmost Arunachal Preadesh. What I was really surprised is that this time B. ludlowi was flying with B. lidderdalii !! So far, these two similar species are never observed together in eastern Bhutan. It needs further information. Details of the observation in Bhutan are described in Butterflies No.60. bsj-t.blogspot.jp/2012/06/our-journal-butterflies-teinopalpus.htmlCheers, mokky
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Post by africaone on Nov 9, 2012 0:45:50 GMT -8
"Somehow I doubt it, since the place they were found is a protected wildlife sanctuary. India is especially strict about collecting, even of common species. Adam." I have seen so many protected species on the market that I have a serious doubt that people unable to protect species such as the Tiger will succed with butterflies
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Post by wollastoni on Nov 9, 2012 1:28:24 GMT -8
Thierry < the main difference is that B. ludlowi would not really be undermined by collecting because in those jungle/montainous areas you collect only on small paths, and you see only 5% of existing specimens.
Good news that his habitat is protected, it means this population is rather safe now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 1:43:13 GMT -8
what size of an area is this where ludlowi has been found?
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Post by africaone on Nov 9, 2012 1:48:32 GMT -8
I didn't say that the species will be endangered by poachers ! just ironic on what will happens in the near future with this rediscovery ! ... human nature will never change regardings profits (what can be understood in some country where getting money to survive is not easy !). In some sountries such as Japan, money is not a problem as the protection of nature (outside Japan ouf course !) also to point that I can't have confidence in authorities unable to protect his mammal fauna (and I don't know any protected insect species unavailable the market !)
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Post by hewi on Jun 1, 2014 10:14:02 GMT -8
it is quite obvious that it is B. lidderdalii
Manfred
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 1, 2014 11:14:11 GMT -8
it is quite obvious that it is B. lidderdalii Manfred I would agree with that, judging by the poor photos. I don't know how people get fooled into bidding for specimens like this. Surely people with enough money to bid a couple of hundred dollars would check the identity first. Or perhaps they would pay the same for an A2 lidderdalii . Adam.
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