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Post by beetlehorn on Feb 26, 2019 13:13:06 GMT -8
If you browse the internet you will find many posts and articles about a looming catastrophe, everything from a complete economic collapse to a worldwide disaster. There are so called peppers that say get ready now in case something happens. What they are suggesting is having a water source, food stockpiled, and a means of self defense. I for one am not too worried about this, but I do see signs of potential trouble. The state of political affairs has me somewhat concerned, because I have never seen so much division in the US in all my years as what we have now. I can see that a civil war might be possible if things escalate, and that could potentially lead to major problems for a lot of folks. I just wonder if others on this forum have noticed any similar concerns.
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Post by beetlehorn on Feb 26, 2019 14:23:22 GMT -8
Are you referring to the illegal immigrants or Mexican people in general?
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Post by papilio28570 on Feb 26, 2019 23:25:01 GMT -8
I believe disparity is a genetic component of human evolution. We humans are extremely competitive and always find ways to divide ourselves into "us against them" tribes. We divide by religion, race, politics, economics, geography, language, ethics, sexuality and more and then these categories are further divided into sub-groups and so forth. Look at the silly division within the butterfly enthusiast group...collectors versus photographers versus amateurs versus professionals.
The disparity in the USA is no more different than in other countries, but we here focus on the divisions within our own borders. So it looms larger, more severe in our perspective. Each tribe sees their right and the other's wrong.
Without resorting to violence and more often historically after great violence a framework of law was established in order to coexist. Call it treaty, constitution, contract etc., none of which are set in concrete over the long term. Competitiveness always leads to skirting around the edges of these agreements to gain advantage by redefining words, reinterpreting original intent, pushing the envelope, litigating perceived unfairness.
This defines the human problem to me in the very broad sense and for the sake of brevity.
To respond to your question regarding an inevitable catastrophe, I believe civil war in the USA is out of the question. The country as it currently exists is too far technologically advanced to ever allow mobility of any sort of a large armed force. Too many satellites looking down, infrared night vision drones hovering, cameras capturing most roadways. A large army of citizens is easily detected and can be quickly isolated and dispersed. A guerilla war campaign may get some legs but it would not be on a national scale to seriously jeopardize the stability of the government; that is, if the government was the focus of guerillas. If instead a large scale conflict was between different groups of citizens, it would be handled by law enforcement backed up by the National Guard if needed...similar to the riots here in the 1960s.
True catastrophe could arise from conflict between countries and it would likely be about money.
Under the fractional reserve banking system, most people will fail financially were it not for the banks continual inflation of the money supply which allows borrowers to keep borrowing to forestall failure. This continual inflation of the money supply is why it now takes one dollar ($1) to purchase what four cents ($.04) would purchase in 1913 the year the Federal Reserve was created. This reserve system of banking is going on all over the world at different rates of inflation but all first world countries are in extreme debt. Examples: France; 97% of GDP, UK; 88% GDP, Germany; 64% GDP, Russia; 13.5%, USA; 104% and so on. At some point countries will begin to refuse payment for exports in another's currency because it is deemed worthless. Right now most world trade is conducted with US dollars as the basis of international exchange. There appears to be no way to stop the growth of US debt which just passed $22 trillion. The bubble will burst at some point in the future plunging the world into chaos and human genetically wired "us against them" mindset will prevail.
Just my thoughts....
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Post by LEPMAN on Feb 27, 2019 3:30:28 GMT -8
Papilio, When I first read your post David Berrebys book came to mind. Here is a link iif you haven’t read the book. It discusses the very aspect of us and them division mentioned by yourself. www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/things-that-divide-us/Have you read the book? Seems as you may have. It’s difficult to find book readers now in days with the internet and our constantly busier lifestyles. |
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Post by beetlehorn on Feb 27, 2019 6:38:32 GMT -8
With the US national debt at $22 trillion, and so far no relief in sight, a person is left with the question.......when if ever will it be repayed? In my opinion it never will, and it will just go up no matter who is in office. This one major issue is the thing that can cause a global economic collapse some day. The consequences of this event could and most likely will include such things as riots, extreme civil unrest, anarchy, martial law, and possible civil war if forces organize into militia groups. There is always a tipping point so to speak, that is when "one side against the other" happens as mentioned above. It is my hope that the entire issue can be resolved peacefully, but that is most likely wishful thinking.
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Post by joee30 on Feb 27, 2019 8:21:49 GMT -8
If you browse the internet you will find many posts and articles about a looming catastrophe, everything from a complete economic collapse to a worldwide disaster. There are so called peppers that say get ready now in case something happens. What they are suggesting is having a water source, food stockpiled, and a means of self defense. I for one am not too worried about this, but I do see signs of potential trouble. The state of political affairs has me somewhat concerned, because I have never seen so much division in the US in all my years as what we have now. I can see that a civil war might be possible if things escalate, and that could potentially lead to major problems for a lot of folks. I just wonder if others on this forum have noticed any similar concerns. I see that too. I see it more of a factional thing really. Right vs. Left, which is just really stupid. I see this pushed a lot by right wingers a bit more as they feel anyone who doesn't think the same, like Trump, or isn't a "republican" as a threat. I find it silly really. I honestly don't care till any loved ones are hurt, then game on.  |
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Post by joee30 on Feb 27, 2019 8:22:58 GMT -8
Are you referring to the illegal immigrants or Mexican people in general? Think he was being sarcastic. lol |
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Post by luehdorf on Feb 27, 2019 9:46:53 GMT -8
My first foreign language was Latin and the texts we read really put everything that’s happening now into another perspective.
I have read texts of roman politicians 2000 years ago that say the Roman Empire will fail because everybody is just celebrating, drinking and wasting their time. Well, the empire broke down but it took another 400 years. Another philosopher said 2200 years ago that society is doomed because the young people don’t want to learn, and are only interested in girls and alcohol. You could almost print any of their texts, without changing anything, into our current newspapers and everybody would agree that the author really pinpointed the problems of our time.
It is very amusing and at the same time also comforting. People just love to panick, and bad news always spreads faster than good news. Everything is just half as bad as people make it sound, so just relax and chill, and enjoy your time.
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Post by LEPMAN on Feb 27, 2019 11:05:21 GMT -8
Sometimes the news makes me worry about things that I don’t even know about and will likely never experience. If the American news was only good for some things.
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Post by nomihoudai on Feb 27, 2019 11:19:55 GMT -8
The state of political affairs has me somewhat concerned, because I have never seen so much division in the US in all my years as what we have now. Uhm,... segregation has only been ended in 1964... I think things are without doubt better than ever and even with some division it doesn't compare to anything that has been.... |
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Post by joee30 on Feb 27, 2019 13:25:39 GMT -8
Think he was being sarcastic. lol Myess. I was. No matter what happens, its the Mexicans fault! Jan In my neck of the woods, it's mexicans, illegals(or to some, anyone that LOOKS illegal), and muslims. In some rare cases, it's the colored folks fault and the global cabal of jews and jewish bankers. lol |
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Post by Paul K on Feb 27, 2019 14:21:59 GMT -8
There we go, potential risk in India/Pakistan war.
Not sure here who is playing who.
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Post by Paul K on Feb 27, 2019 15:53:50 GMT -8
Its still the Mexicans....  Jan 😂😂😂 |
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Post by exoticimports on Feb 28, 2019 3:56:36 GMT -8
Sikhs, the capos for the Japanese military in Malaya. Not well liked by Allied POWs.
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Post by leptraps on Mar 1, 2019 4:26:28 GMT -8
If you are worried about the future of the world, visit a Wal-Mart.
We are doomed.
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