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Post by boghaunter1 on Jan 15, 2019 14:21:40 GMT -8
Hello again,
I.D. Update... Sent away the abdomen only of my supposed C. ilia specimens to Larry Gall a few weeks ago... just got my reply back... i.d. confirmed as Catocala umbrosa... certainly goes to show the value of having a specimen in hand to examine (by an expert), rather than just relying on photos! Now these 2 C. umbrosa are the farthest NW records known in SK, Canada & N. America! Even after decades of collecting something new still shows up... even in your own back yard! Still wondering though where the larval foodplant (Oak spp.) occurs in my area?... will watch out for further specimens in coming seasons... maybe another female will show up & I can obtain eggs & quickly ship them off to a fellow collector who in lives southern SK where Bur Oak grows.
John K.
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Post by leptraps on Jan 15, 2019 17:17:11 GMT -8
I have collected Catocala umbrosia in northern Ohio, Geauga County and in Michigan Allegan County. All in Bait Traps.
Can you post a photograph of your specimen of Catocala umbrosia (The one you sent to Gall).
Concerned about my ID of Catocala umbrosia.
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Post by boghaunter1 on Jan 15, 2019 17:56:20 GMT -8
Hi Leroy,
Just go back in this same thread to page 9 (my Nov. 15, 2018 entries) where the pair I presented dorsal & ventral views of as C. ilia was the wrong i.d.! I sent the abdomen only of the male specimen in those photos (wrongly identified by myself & others... including yourself... as C. ilia) to L. Gall. That pair is not C. ilia, but C. umbrosa. C. ilia does occur very rarely in extreme SE SK where Bur Oak occurs. Larry calls C. umbrosa a "sister" sp. to C. ilia (both larval stages feed exclusively only on Oak spp. & are very similar in appearance). Larry said there are visual differences in the shape of the male genitialia between the two spp. & they are easily separated by close examination under a microscope (after careful removal of the hairs covering the claspers). I edited both captions in those two photos on page 9 to indicate the correct i.d..
John K.
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Post by boghaunter1 on Jan 17, 2019 11:34:02 GMT -8
Hello again Catocala Collectors, Following are some photos of another rare SK Catocala sp. that I have been collecting very uncommonly at light traps/bait in my yd. since the late 1980's (a span of more than 30 yrs.). I finally had the i.d. reconfirmed by Larry Gall, in Dec. 2018, as well. They are Catocala badia coelebs. This is a northern swamp/bog inhabiting sp. found in the border area of the NE U.S.A. & eastern Canada extending very sparingly west to SK. My farm yd. is the only known location in SK where this moth has ever been collected. The larval foodplants are Sweet Gale ( Myrica gale) which grows in large swamps less than a km from my yd. These specimens were initially thought, incorrectly (as it turns out!) by myself & my former colleague R. Hooper, to be Catocala antinympha. The first few specimens I collected were sent, by R. Hooper, to Larry Gall in the early 1990's. At that time Larry identified them as Catocala coelebs & he says they are now classed as a ssp. of Catocala badia & therefore are correctly referred to as Catocala badia coelebs. My farm yd. now marks the farthest NW edge of their known range in SK, Canada & N. America. They have also been found at a location NE of my yd., across the border, in the neighbouring province of Manitoba. Following is a representative pr. (Dorsal view): John K.
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Post by boghaunter1 on Jan 17, 2019 11:42:27 GMT -8
& here is a ventral view of the above pair:
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Post by boghaunter1 on Jan 17, 2019 11:46:50 GMT -8
& here is a view of all the specimens I have collected to date & which remain in my collection... minus the couple of specimens first collected in the late 1980's which are in our provincial museum in Regina:
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