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Post by mothman27 on Sept 8, 2018 6:43:34 GMT -8
What is the distinguishing difference between C. robinsonii and C. obscura? Size? I though I had a robinsonii in my collection but the WS is nowhere near 70-80mm. Anyway, I think it may be a male obscura and what I though was obscura in my collection may be a female. Today I collected two more which I think are males of obscura. The thing is, all of them havevisible ocelli which doesn't seem to match the description of obscura. I'll try to get some photos later. if you could show some photos of yours that would be great. Tim Here is what I thought was C. robinsoniiTo me it looks like a C. judith with white hindwings. Am I forgetting a species? Attachments:
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Post by leptraps on Sept 8, 2018 12:09:39 GMT -8
The wide white edge on the hind wing and your location: Catocala robinsonii.
Catocala judith has no white edge.
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Post by mothman27 on Sept 8, 2018 17:58:08 GMT -8
The wide white edge on the hind wing and your location: Catocala robinsonii. Catocala judith has no white edge. That's what I have always thought but due to the wingspan of this specimen being 64mm I though I might be wrong. Bill Oehlke's website says their wingspan is 70-80mm.
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Post by leptraps on Sept 9, 2018 1:37:57 GMT -8
Catocala moths do not read what us humans write (They find our writings rather boring!) and become what Mother Nature decides.
Small individuals are not uncommon. I recently collected an extremely small Limenitis arthemis astyanax in a Bait Trap. It was about the size of a Colias eurytheme. I should find it and photograph and post it for all to see.
Even at the age of 73, I continue to be amazed at what I find in God's great creation.
Why should God read our books when many of us do not read His. And please, no responses to to that last comment.
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Post by mothman27 on Sept 9, 2018 7:49:29 GMT -8
Catocala moths do not read what us humans write (They find our writings rather boring!) and become what Mother Nature decides. Small individuals are not uncommon. I recently collected an extremely small Limenitis arthemis astyanax in a Bait Trap. It was about the size of a Colias eurytheme. I should find it and photograph and post it for all to see. Even at the age of 73, I continue to be amazed at what I find in God's great creation. Why should God read our books when many of us do not read His. And please, no responses to to that last comment. I completely agree, God's creation is absolutely amazing! So I guess you are saying this is an unusual specimen? I see. It's just that I collected three individuals of this relative size. I though the range would be for the most part accurate.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Sept 9, 2018 7:59:12 GMT -8
Maybe for this species size can vary due to local evironmental conditions during the larval stage.
Adam.
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Post by phanaeus1 on Sept 9, 2018 11:23:00 GMT -8
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Post by leptraps on Sept 9, 2018 12:50:42 GMT -8
We are all waiting, and phanaeus said??
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Post by rayrard on Sept 11, 2018 10:59:29 GMT -8
Added a few individuals this weekend
Catocala concumbens - 1 C. cara - 1 C. habilis - 2 C. obscura - 1 C. flebilis - 1
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Post by rayrard on Sept 11, 2018 11:01:07 GMT -8
Updating the 2018 list:
Catocala amica C. lineella C. connubialis C. blandula C. andromedae C. ilia C. micronympha C. ultronia C. coccinata C. innubens C. neogama C. nebulosa C. sordida C. maestosa C. palaeogama C. vidua C. obscura C. relicta C. habilis C. judith C. retecta C. epione C. concumbens C. residua C. amatrix C. parta C. cara C. flebilis
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Post by Jonn on Sept 11, 2018 12:28:09 GMT -8
bald-faced hornets doing their best at ruining the remainder of my season. Been stung about 20 times so far this month. Never had this problem other years.
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Post by Jonn on Sept 11, 2018 13:03:24 GMT -8
The wide white edge on the hind wing and your location: Catocala robinsonii. Catocala judith has no white edge. That's what I have always thought but due to the wingspan of this specimen being 64mm I though I might be wrong. Bill Oehlke's website says their wingspan is 70-80mm. Agree with leptraps. I see a decent amount of undersized Catocala. last month i had 10+ piatrix ("68-84mm") that were around 60-65mm, which is more close to the size of a muliercula
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Post by leptraps on Sept 11, 2018 13:35:08 GMT -8
I checked my Bait Traps for the first time in three days due to the weather. They were loaded. I have at least 40+ Catocala moths in killing jars. I know I have sixteen species, possibly seventeen.
Catocala vidua Catocala robinsonii Catocala dejecta Catocala angusi Catocala retecta Catocala flebilis Catocala obscura, one male first one in years. Catocala residua Catocala ulalume - several Catocala insolabilis Catocala nebulous Catocala subnata Catocala cerogama Catocala parta - single female on trunk of tree. Another in a Bait Trap. Catocala junctura - single male Catocala amatrix - a whole bunch.
Also lots of butterflies.
I have used the last of my Persimmons.
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Post by Jonn on Sept 11, 2018 13:59:26 GMT -8
Leptraps i notice you have a lot of luck with catching black hindwing species. Surprised you haven't caught agrippina/atocala, which should be in Kentucky
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Post by leptraps on Sept 11, 2018 18:04:49 GMT -8
Catocala atocala only occurs in the western end of the state. I have collected four specimens in western Kentucky. All in Bait Traps.
Catocala agrippina has been collected in four counties in Kentucky. I have never taken a specimen in Kentucky. I have collected it in Mississippi and Texas.
The black hindwing Catocala fly later than the others. For the most part, I only report the keepers. The Bait Traps are color blind, so to speak. I am still finding yellow/orange and a few red hindwing Catocala in the Bait Traps. Most are somewhat worn with the exception of Catocala cerogama which just began to fly.
On another note: it appears that the Hurricane will impact eastern Kentucky by Friday. I will take down most of my Bait Traps, especially those along the North and South Elkhorn creeks. We could get 8 to 10 inches of rain. The Elkhorn Creeks are the main drainage for Scott County, Kentucky.
This has been a very good year for Catocala moths. However, I have yet to see a Black Witch.
Should central/eastern Kentucky receive 8 to 10 inches of rain from hurricane Florence, it will probably bring an end to the Catocala season.
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