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Post by leptraps on May 2, 2018 15:35:49 GMT -8
Let us start a lively discussion about our current president, Donald Trump.
Let's hear your opinion/thoughts.
Like Him, hate Him, or love him!!
Do you think he will get re-elected in 2020?
I will wait until later before I comment.
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Post by nomihoudai on May 3, 2018 1:43:55 GMT -8
Just out of curiosity, what exactly has he done wrong in the last year? He went out of the Paris agreement, but Michael Bloomberg has jumped in and is paying instead of the government. So, what has he done wrong that didn't get fixed somehow?
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Post by wollastoni on May 3, 2018 3:06:24 GMT -8
I have my personal political opinion about Trump but I won't share it here : I am not American and I am not sure I am well placed to judge Trump, the Republicans or the Democrats...
As an entomologist though, I am very concerned by Trump short term view on environment, I don't have the feeling he is protecting natural habitats, I don't have the feelings he is fighting to remove dangerous Monsanto/Bayer products, I don't have the feeling he will help on climate change and so on.
Many chemical products used in the US agriculture or US food industry are BANNED in Europe, not sure it is good for the health of my American friends.
In a word, I'd like Trump administration to be less pro-business and more pro-future.
There is no "planet B". There is no "life B". And once a biotope is destroyed, it is forever.
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Post by nomihoudai on May 3, 2018 7:09:35 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 7:19:11 GMT -8
I'm loving the way the PC liberal left wing champagne socialists have a hernia every time they see him, so for that one thing alone thank you Donald, offended by everything but ashamed of nothing they are a cancer and a plague on planet earth.
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Post by leptraps on May 3, 2018 14:36:01 GMT -8
Everybody wants Trump to save the planet. Let's forget the planet for a while and help our country, the good US of A. Once we have full employment, the Hollywood elite paying their fair share of taxes. Securing our borders and send all the illegal immigrants back to there country of origins, including those DACA youngens.
Let get our trade traffifs to our benefit. For the past 25+ years we have been a nation that did more for all those countries who took our money and then went their own way.
We had administrations that catered to sexual orientation, racial relations, abortion, etc,etc...
What about the average Joe, people like you and me. We pay the bills with our taxes. Nothing for the tax payers, everything for the SLL (Sick, Lame & Lazy).
I have said enough,it is time for my nap!
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Post by SoCalMountainman on May 3, 2018 15:13:57 GMT -8
What's not to like about our President...... even Kanye loves his "brother" !
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Post by beetlehorn on May 3, 2018 20:05:48 GMT -8
In regards to why the media hates Trump so much is quite obvious to me. He says whatever he wants about something, and lets the pieces fall wherever they may. They complain about him tweeting his messages all the time. The reason they hate this is because he doesn't use the media to relay his message, so they cannot twist his words around, and edit what they don't want you to hear or know. He does his tweeting to get his message out there directly, and that's is exactly what gets their "panties in a wad!" You hear about it almost on a daily basis. I am actually quite amused by it all because the more they bitch and moan, the more he keeps doing it. He is well aware that all of the Trump bashing, the Mueller investigation (which is a total joke), the Stormy Daniels charade, The View criticism that airs daily, is all just an attempt to oust him from office. He is also well aware that he has many, many millions of supporters out there that would raise holy hell if they tried to do just that!
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Post by wollastoni on May 3, 2018 23:29:53 GMT -8
Everybody wants Trump to save the planet. Let's forget the planet for a while and help our country, the good US of A. That's the short term view that has totally destroyed nature on Earth. We're on Earth to protect our nature, not to destroy and sold it. Compare the nature you enjoyed when you were a child and the one your grand-sons will have... such a shame... only to give more money to some billionaires. And that's what I dislike in Trump speeches : opposing economic growth and nature protection. Europe, China and Japan are building a strong economic sector in new energy, Trump thinks oil, oil, oil. Like coal, the oil industry is not the future. A leader must invest in economic transformations, not in blocking them. By chance, some American companies have more vision. |
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Post by wollastoni on May 3, 2018 23:34:13 GMT -8
That's a political answer to my non-political point. I am not saying Obama and Clinton were good in nature protection, I am saying Trump should do much more. The whole USA should modernize its energy mix, decrease their HUGE energy waste, decrease their impact on environment, protect their future, protect their health... Like many large countries (Russia, Australia...), USA are very late in nature protection. They will become better once they have totally ####ed up their nature... it will be very late... |
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Post by nomihoudai on May 4, 2018 3:00:03 GMT -8
I am not saying Obama and Clinton were good in nature protection, I am saying Trump should do much more. Leaving aside the names... you have 3 people, and one of them should do much more than the other two? Doesn't this sound unfair to you? To me it does. The whole USA should modernize its energy mix Putting in some numbers here. In Europe you have 740 million people on 6 million sqkm. In the US you have 325 for 9sqkm. When we take ((740/6)/(325/9)) we end up with 3.4, the ratio of human impact in Europe compared to the US. When you ask the US to change anything about their country on a national level in the same time than Europe, you are asking them to do 3.4 times more than you are asking Europeans to do. Doesn't this sound unfair to you? To me it does. decrease their HUGE energy waste, decrease their impact on environment That's something we all can do. The US still has a large amount of wilderness in comparison to Europe and they have a lot of very active groups protecting it. Also they have the National Monuments, National Parks, and state parks. They have been protected by numerous presidents and legislature. I really miss the American nature, as we have nothing comparable here in Europe. I close my post with a pic of mine showing Chisos Mountains in Texas.  I didn't want to argue about anything, but I think it is good to sometimes putting numbers to things and getting an objective perspective. It gives people the possibility to understand things. |
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Post by leptraps on May 4, 2018 3:24:19 GMT -8
With Trump it is a matter of priorities. Fix and sustain the economy are number one. Get everybody employed, that would make for more take dollars. Fix the trade deficit. And fixing the trade deficit helps employment. And tariffs help protect employment by increasing exports.
I do not see another nation taking the lead and attempting to solve global issues.
Give Trump and company some time.
However, the boy needs to keep his zipper up.
I will say this. Stormy Daniels is old enough to know what she is doing. Unlike Bill Clinton who got a BJ from a 20 year old girl in the White House.
Stormy Daniels has had more peckers stuck in her than a pin cushion. I think most of Congress is envious of Trump and the Ladies that he has thought to have jumped.
Hey, it rhymed!!!
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Post by SoCalMountainman on May 4, 2018 8:39:39 GMT -8
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That's a political answer to my non-political point.
I am not saying Obama and Clinton were good in nature protection, I am saying Trump should do much more.
The whole USA should modernize its energy mix, decrease their HUGE energy waste, decrease their impact on environment, protect their future, protect their health...
Like many large countries (Russia, Australia...), USA are very late in nature protection. They will become better once they have totally ####ed up their nature... it will be very late...
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Are you serious? We are late? We do more in this country to combat pollution and CO2 emmissions than any other country in the world!!!! We are more conscious of our environment here in America and invest more than any other country in the world! I have been to your Italy, been all over Europe and been to the middle-east (Army Infantry 1977-1981)... here in California there are electric cars all around me - never mind that they get plugged in to recharge with electricity.... and where do you suppose this electricity comes from? You think our juice here in CA is all hydro and solar? CA is so anti-HC that we even buy our natural gas from Nevada and the Pacific NW just to charge our "electric cars"... but at least we're Green here, right? Give Trump a chance, geez! He's been in for a little over a year and has done so much while having to dodge all the crap flying at him...... IMOP.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 9:29:08 GMT -8
He's been in for a little over a year and has done so much while having to dodge all the crap flying at him...... IMOP.
Totally agree, he must be doing something right to provoke such a reaction among the well to do, who have had their own way for far too long and ruined civilized Europe for the ordinary man in the street with their "tolerant enlightened views",but only tolerant when you agree with them eh Frau Merkel, long may it continue.
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Post by wollastoni on May 4, 2018 9:58:56 GMT -8
That's a political answer to my non-political point. I am not saying Obama and Clinton were good in nature protection, I am saying Trump should do much more. The whole USA should modernize its energy mix, decrease their HUGE energy waste, decrease their impact on environment, protect their future, protect their health... Like many large countries (Russia, Australia...), USA are very late in nature protection. They will become better once they have totally ####ed up their nature... it will be very late... [/quote] Are you serious? We are late? We do more in this country to combat pollution and CO2 emmissions than any other country in the world!!!! We are more conscious of our environment here in America and invest more than any other country in the world! I have been to your Italy, been all over Europe and been to the middle-east (Army Infantry 1977-1981)... here in California there are electric cars all around me - never mind that they get plugged in to recharge with electricity.... and where do you suppose this electricity comes from? You think our juice here in CA is all hydro and solar? CA is so anti-HC that we even buy our natural gas from Nevada and the Pacific NW just to charge our "electric cars"... but at least we're Green here, right? Give Trump a chance, geez! He's been in for a little over a year and has done so much while having to dodge all the crap flying at him...... IMOP.[/quote] Don’t be aggressive. Italy (not mine by the way) is very late. Nordic countries or Germany are better in environmental politics. About Trump and environment: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_policy_of_the_Donald_Trump_administrationI tried to find a non-political source. ;-) I give Trump a chance, I count on him to improve his environmental politics in the next 3 years. |
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Post by SoCalMountainman on May 4, 2018 13:50:33 GMT -8
I'm not being aggressive. I was being "lively" as Leroy asked  |
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Post by berg2036 on May 6, 2018 16:34:56 GMT -8
Heres the deal, I am not a big republican or a democrat, and i did not support him in the primaries. I am sick of the media bashing him. Hes doing what he thinks is best for out country, and thats what matters.
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Post by leptraps on May 7, 2018 16:26:23 GMT -8
I cannot believe the National News Media. They talk about every word Trump utters.I wonder what they would do if he broke wind. Especially if it was a wet and juciy one.
I am no Trump fan. However, he is driving the Democraps and the National News Media nuts.
He should delete his Twitter Account and not say a word for a week or two. He would drive the news media out of the minds.
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Post by exoticimports on May 7, 2018 16:36:15 GMT -8
The deep state still runs the country. Trump made a lot of noise about draining the swamp. He’s done next to none of that. He’s a distraction from the real problem.
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Post by rjb on May 11, 2018 8:04:20 GMT -8
Just got back from 3 weeks in southern Italy and Sicily. The volcanoes were awesome, the people are wonderful, the beetles were pretty good too!
This Trump thread is a hoot.
Personally I still find Trump disgusting in every particular. Paying Russian prostitutes to pee on each other? Give me a break.
I do not think the media is hard on Trump. This is how it has gone since before he was elected and it continues:
- Almost daily Trump says or tweets something demonstrably false
- The press jumps all over it showing with evidence that Trump has lied.
- Trump responds by presenting no counter evidence but simply declaring some idiocy like “Fake News”.
You can credit Trump with getting a rise out of the media but he does it the cheap way.
If I were to spread lies about Leptraps’s wife and family and he gets mad and calls me a liar, should everyone praise me for getting a rise out of him. Hell no! Anyone can can get a reaction by lying. Our presidents used to have enough self respect that they would respond to press criticism by showing the press was wrong or by apologizing if they made a mistake. Trump is an ass and can’t admit he is not a god.
Trump is an attention addict desperate for publicity (like most politicians) and he does whatever is necessary to stay in the headlines. The media is doing him a big favor by reacting to his lies.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 8:40:47 GMT -8
Unlike Obama and Hilary who are saints?
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Post by joee30 on May 11, 2018 18:35:32 GMT -8
Unlike Obama and Hilary who are saints? Of course it is easier to blame others than the person himself. Dude is about as false as them, if not about worse. I mean, he always has this $#it eating grin everytime he talks about how good, or bad ass, or whatever he says about himself. Most politicians are narcissists, but tRump is a whole different animal. It is rather comedic to be honest. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 0:59:40 GMT -8
I don't particularly like any politicians whether in my own country of anywhere else, I think they are all a bunch of self serving narcissistic people who cannot tell fact from fiction but I dislike the liberal elitest hypocrites in equal measure.
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Post by rjb on May 12, 2018 5:27:30 GMT -8
If you want to compare Trump with Obama, there are too many aspects. On integrity I would say it is obvious that Obama was one of our most respected for integrity. He disallowed any corrupt behavior. Trump stands out as the most dishonest president in my long lifetime, but I do not know if he is the worst of all time.
On accomplishments, Obama is often criticized by the left for not accomplishing much, but the right wing should be really happy about that. The republican congress was able to block Obama from doing anything. Still his one big accomplishment was really major- Bush dumped the worst recession of modern times on Obama's shoulders. It was pretty scary for awhile that the stock market might have crashed another factor of two which would have been a disaster. Obama pulled us out of that and handed Trump an economy almost completely back to normal. Trump credits himself with lots of stuff (did he actually help God create the universe?) but on economics it is all bull### so far. The economy has continued to improve but a little slower than under Obama. The deficit that Republicans have been ranting about is expected to get much worse because Trump wants to spend money big time.
Who cares whether Hilary Clinton is a lot more honest than Trump? The voters didn't want her.
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Post by leptraps on May 12, 2018 8:05:10 GMT -8
As I have said before, I did not vote for Trump nor did I vote for Clinton, the other one too.
But I did vote in the last Presidential election. A perennial candidate, Alfred E. Neumann. Neither Clinton nor Trump were worth my time to vote for them.
Now that the election is over and Trump has been in office long enough to torment the Liberals, I believe that Trump was the better of the two.
The Liberal's have been crying foul, and while they cry and moan, Trump tweets something foolish and the moaning and wailing grow louder and louder.
Trump will get things done, He is a very successful business man. He is not a politician. I think he thoroughly enjoys taunting the Liberals.
We could not have put a bigger Jack Ass in the White House if we would have tried.I am enjoying every minute.
If I knew he was going to piss off the Liberals, I would have voted for him.
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