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Post by hypanartia on Mar 1, 2011 18:19:31 GMT -8
If you are planning to do an exchange of Sphingidae/Saturnidae with a collector from New Caledonia (Nouvelle Caledonie), please contact me, before you send your specimens. I cannot go further in the specifics because of the new rules of the forum.
Regards
Jesus
PD> I have no specimens from that area.
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Post by downundermoths on Mar 1, 2011 22:17:00 GMT -8
I know who you mean and this kind of post is as bad as accusing them of wrongdoing by name in this forum...At least they would have the chance of replying...This section should be closed down IMHO...
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 2, 2011 1:26:26 GMT -8
Who are you talking about hypanartia ?
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Post by africaone on Mar 2, 2011 1:31:20 GMT -8
yes ... who is it ?
Thierry
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Post by wingedwishes on Mar 2, 2011 4:41:58 GMT -8
To know who this particular person is would require a PM to the author of the thread. I don't know who it is and if someone had a good (assuming the unnamed dealer was not good) deal with a person from New Caledonia, they can post in a similar manner.
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Post by downundermoths on Mar 2, 2011 4:50:05 GMT -8
This is all getting very silly...There is only one couple who regularly exchange New Caledonian leps for Sphingidae/Saturniidae...as far as I know they are very nice people...
Barry
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 2, 2011 5:31:38 GMT -8
I agree with Barry.
With new rules, people cannot defend themselves. This section should be closed or we should go back to former rules.
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Post by saturniidave on Mar 2, 2011 8:14:26 GMT -8
If the person I know is the same as Barry knows then I can vouch that they are good and reliable.
But I do agree, the old system was better. All Clark needs to do is organise a Moderator or two to take the pressure off of him with a proviso that any defamation of character in writing here can be taken up legally between those involved, that the site holds no responsibility for comments posted, or something like that.
Dave
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 2, 2011 9:55:32 GMT -8
"If the person I know is the same as Barry knows" : love it ! :-)
It remembers me a sentence of Coluche, a French humorist :
"When we ear what we ear, and when we see what we see, we are right to think what we think..."
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Post by hypanartia on Mar 2, 2011 15:52:04 GMT -8
Hi to all
This is not my forum. So I am trying to follow the rules set for the owner of the forum. The intention of Clark is to left this kind of discussion out of the forum.
I am no posting that out of a minimal inconvenience, a delay...
I think my post is adequate for the rules of the forum. So:
-If you have no intention to trade with somebody there, just dismiss the post.
-If you plan to do it, and you like to know who is and what was (is) my personal experience, send me a PM and I am going to send you back a message containing what could be a post in the old forum.
If you plan to do it, and do not care about my opinion. Well, proceed with the exchange.
If you believe you are a friend of the subject of the post. Send me a PM and....and I am going to send you back a message containing what could be a post in the old forum. If it is your friend, you can forward the message to him (please do it), and then you can talk about how unfair I am.
Regards
Jesus
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Post by saturniidave on Mar 2, 2011 16:15:49 GMT -8
I sent you a PM Hypanartia. Am awaiting your reply.
Dave
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Post by jeanff on Mar 3, 2011 8:32:52 GMT -8
Reading the original post, I think Hypanartia is right. He didn't say anything negative about anyone, just mentioned that he could be contacted for info, not the nature of the info, whether negative or positive. It was simply assumed rightaway that the info was negative... Can't we all just chill out  Jean-Philippe |
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Post by nomihoudai on Mar 3, 2011 13:00:20 GMT -8
OK, now we got a very ankward situation that I am not very pleased with.
Of course the above post states NEGATIVE feedback, he talks about trading and then tells p.S. I haven't got specimen from there, so there is no doubt now.
The problem now: There is at least 2 people on New Caledonia that like trading for Saturniidae and Sphingidae and this does injustice for the other, honest person now. People read this now and their alarm bells start to ring but there is no reason for it.
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 4, 2011 9:46:06 GMT -8
So now, you are authorised to give us the names Hypanartia.
And we will tell you our experiences with them (if we had), and they will be able to give us their version.
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Post by hypanartia on Mar 6, 2011 15:17:54 GMT -8
OK, As you wish.
This is my personal experience with the trader mentioned below. I think the experience deserved a post.
BAD EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH THIERRY SALESNE/PRATS (Farino, New Caledonia)
E-mail: kanaky687@gmail.com
At the beginning of the last season I set an exchange with apparently a different person, Josaine Prats which seems to be his wife. The deal was that at the end of the season North American Sphingidae/Saturnidae for some Nymphalidae from the Oriental region. He/She send me a terrific list of species that he/she put aside for me, including very rare specimens (#1). He/she said that he/she has almost no specimens from North America, and that any species will work for him/her. I told him/her I was not a night collector, but I will do my best to try to match the offered specimens.
During the season I obtained what I can through exchanges, and collecting. Felling that was not even close to set the exchange, I purchased specimens from BioQuip to balance a little bit the deal. I contacted him and send a list of the specimens I have in hand. I get a reply from which was obviously a different person (Thierry Salesne/Prats), and he insisted that I need to send the parcel first, otherwise the deal is off (#2). I had no reference from him, except that he always insisted he was very professional and serious (#3), which was not enough for me. I asked from him a list of the specimens he was planning to send back in return. That request was dismissed (#4). I asked to send my a current photo of a very rare specimen he claimed he has with my name . He sent me the photo but my name was not there and the photo was updated (the photo was took 4 moths before) (#5). He told that he was busy, with two children and the wife outside the Island. I can understand. He also ask for one “invoice” because he said in the postal office there are all thieves (#6). That may be is true. OK, I should not send the parcel (#1-#6), but I sent it out.
Two weeks later he received the parcel. He complained that “the cotton was full of hair”, said that I was a dirty person and some other unpleasant things. He, of course, said that the specimens were A-/A2 (#7). After this e-mail the deal obviously was off. I requested from him to send me back the specimens. He said is going to do it (October 27, 2010). After two more unanswered e-mails, in December 5, 2010, he replies to say that he has prepared (men, prepared!!) the parcel. The only thing he needs to do is close the package and send it back. He said he added some specimens, I said that I do not like anything from him just my specimens back. Well, January 7 I wrote to him asking him to confirm that he indeed has send the specimens and requesting a invoice number to track it down, if he send the parcel. No answer. January 27, another e-mail, no answer. February 12 , again. No answer (#8). OK. No more waiting.
It has been more than 4 months since this person received the parcel. The patience has limits. I do not like other people pass through all of this, with a “guy” that thinks has the upper hand just because request to receive the specimens first. If after reading this you decide to exchange with him is after you, but my advice is that you should not send your parcel first.
Regards
Jesus Colino
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