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Post by nomad on Nov 7, 2012 12:00:05 GMT -8
Hi everyone and a special hello to the birdwing collectors out there.
I would be very interested on your views about the paradisea subspecies found at Timika in New Guinea. Tony Nagypal's website gives two subspecies for this area flavescens and detanii. I have been told the detanii specimens come from the lower Oetakwa River. Detanii is a superb butterfly with its broad bright green forewing and very long hindwing tails. paradisea from other areas around Timika and those from further east, which are known as flavescens, seem to have narrower forewings in the
males.
I think you would have guessed this magnificent insect is my favourite all time butterfly.
Peter.
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Post by simosg on Nov 7, 2012 12:17:27 GMT -8
Can you show us pictures of REAL flavescens? I'm looking for specimens for years. All offered flavescens I have seen, one male excepted, have just been detanii.
Nice to meet another paradisea lover!
Hannes
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Post by nomad on Nov 7, 2012 13:21:49 GMT -8
Hi Hannes
All of my specimens from Timika are detanii. I have seen flavescens from Fak Fak in another collection which also contained a pair from Timika . There are excellent photographs of flavescens in Oliver Schaffler's Ornithoptera book from Lake Yamur. Many collectors think detanii is a local form of flavescens. Mike Howlett from the UK is selling a set flavescens male from Fak Fak, see the insect classifieds.
Peter.
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Post by simosg on Nov 8, 2012 11:15:30 GMT -8
Yes, the photographs in this book are great. All pictures of real flavescens which I have seen have showed clearly differences to detanii. Flavescens doesn't have the strong green of detanii and the green bands of flavescens are more narrow.
By the way, I'm just missing galatea. Do you know a source?
Hannes
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Post by nomad on Nov 8, 2012 11:30:34 GMT -8
Hi Hannes
Yes, real flavescens does look very different. I do not know a source for galatea but if you discover one let me know, I believe it is very rare and hard to obtain.
Peter.
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Post by oliversch on Nov 10, 2012 14:04:46 GMT -8
here is a photo from a real O. paradisea flavescens from the Etna Bay Attachments:
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Post by oliversch on Nov 10, 2012 14:13:58 GMT -8
O. paradisea flavescens male (underside) from Etna Bay Attachments:
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Post by oliversch on Nov 10, 2012 14:25:53 GMT -8
O. paradisea flavescens female from Etna Bay Attachments:
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Post by oliversch on Nov 10, 2012 14:26:20 GMT -8
underside Attachments:
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Post by nomad on Nov 11, 2012 3:51:30 GMT -8
Hi oliversch,
Thank you for the images, this subspecies is very rare and so are photographs of real flavescens. I believe
Etna Bay is the type locality. Where did you obtain this pair from. Best Wishes, Peter.
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