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Post by dertodesking on Jan 6, 2012 10:50:40 GMT -8
Hi All, Anyone else seen this? On eBay now with a "Buy Now" price of $4600... What do people think? Simon Attachments:
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Post by dertodesking on Jan 6, 2012 10:51:28 GMT -8
Better picture... Simon Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 11:37:21 GMT -8
Excellent use of a sharp knife and glue. ;D
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Post by simosg on Jan 6, 2012 11:43:05 GMT -8
And what about the abdomen? Coloured?
Hannes
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Post by downundermoths on Jan 6, 2012 13:45:13 GMT -8
Dunc wrote "Excellent use of a sharp knife and glue"LOL... You're just trying to put me off buying it...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 14:11:48 GMT -8
Baz if you want a troides gynandromorph don't buy one at that price you can have one of mine at 2000 just give me a couple of weeks to prepare it.
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Post by dertodesking on Jan 6, 2012 14:39:12 GMT -8
And what about the abdomen? Coloured? Hannes That what made me curious...it just looks TOO perfect... Simon
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Post by thanos on Jan 6, 2012 15:13:44 GMT -8
But,because of the 'PERFECTION' he's asking $4600 ;D loooool .
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Post by downundermoths on Jan 6, 2012 23:21:40 GMT -8
I wonder if the old reports of birdwing gynandromorph making, which seem to be handed down from book to book, are actually possible ? It is claimed that if a newly emerged male and a similar female are carefully sliced right down the middle then the opposing parts can be held together long enough for the tissues to join (heal) together... Has anyone actually tried this Barry
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Post by simosg on Jan 7, 2012 0:13:19 GMT -8
It is better to do this with the eggs, that's much more easier. Don't forget to loudly say Abrakadabra when you have finished.
Hannes
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Post by africaone on Jan 7, 2012 4:54:37 GMT -8
how can you see it is "a cut and glue " I yet seen perfect bilateral gynandro and the abdomen is such like this. I don't say it is not a fake, I just say that it is possible to have such abdomen with true gynandro. To know if it is a real "cut and glue", it must be examined "in real"or relaxed (usually the two parts dissiociate after relaxing).
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Post by krupten on Jan 7, 2012 6:37:09 GMT -8
Just for my own interest? Has anyone contact Andrew Colley - ( I believe Wynlyn Wings is Andrew) about the specimen for better pics? I know he is very approachable and an honest chap.
for me? Well - I do know a bit about the gynandros from Batu Atas. and there were LOTS of them but then again - they collect 10's of thousands of pupae also so it makes sense. 2 years ago there were about 5 for sale in Japan - at ONE TIME!. There is ONE main guy who gets them and he had at one time about 10 or more of them for sale and lots of abberations also - melanic and albinic etc. I will see him next month I hope.
The specimen is perhaps a bit overpriced - yes but I would say in my opinion?
IT IS REAL
YES IT IS PERFECTLY SYMMETRICAL AND THAT IS A GOOD INDICATION OF BEING GENUINE
IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO ALIGN SEGMENTS - or to MATCH colors so - this too is another good indication that the specimen is real.
If you get GOOD hi RES shots of the area where there is an attachment of wing to THORAX you can easily see if they are glued.
And Barry - I understand that they did try to "slice one male and one female down the middle and join them together in Queensland. The ended up with Jo Bjelke Peterson.
So SIMON - MY opinion? and using my meagre knowlege on Ornithoptera - Troides etc - ITS REAL. TOO EXPENSIVE for the asking - but REAL. IF you are in doubt Simon - contact Andrew and you will find him to be a gentleman. He would be the first guy I know to pull the specimen if he found it to be fake - so email him and ASK. Opinions are offered here freely - but all are hampered as they do NOT HAVE THE PHYSICAL specimen - Andrew does - go to the source and ask - regardless if you wish to buy or not. HE will tell you or send pics I am sure. Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 11:01:11 GMT -8
Just to add, I have bought many specimens from Andrew and never been let down, I dont think he would try and hoodwink anybody on purpose.
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Post by krupten on Jan 7, 2012 11:57:27 GMT -8
Dear Radovan - on that point I would say it is debateable. I have seen bilaterals that have ONLY ONE gender of abdomen, I have seem them MALE ON TOP FEMALE ON THE BOTTOM - with FEMALE ORGANS, I have seen them with a vestigial clasper, etc, NOT all are totally split down the middle - so I would have to perhaps suggest - that prior to you taking such an adamant stand - it would be best to have a better look at the specimen or at least the pictures of it. IF you are wrong here - and as I may be - but I am also suggesting that ONE gets BETTER photos - for the first thing and stating that the person who is actually selling the specimen IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS TO SCAM. Therefore - before I would pass such a judgment - I think I would prefer to just make sure I was correct - and not have to say "oops" sorry I was incorrect. IF you like Radovan - I can contact Andrew and ask him to perhaps read this and make his own remarks as it pertains to the authenticity of this specimens true "gender" or combination thereof. IF you are in error here? are you willing to appologize? For what you are indicating here is that Andrew Colley is a SCAMMER and trying to pass of a fabricated specimen in a fraudulent manner. To that - I would have to disagree as Andrew has not to my knowledge ever KNOWINGLY scammed or misrepresented ANY OF HIS SPECIMENS. This is not about the specimen now - it is about the individual - and the ramifications of your statement is accusatory as opposed to being a valid evaluation of a specimen and making an objective statement as YOU HAVE NOT SEEN the physical item, requested a photo - or from what I can tell have had that much exposure to gynandrous specimens. All of which to me contribute to the conclusion - that you may not be correct thru ommision. Would you say this would encapsulate the situtation? Just an observation - GW
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Post by Khalid Fadil on Jan 7, 2012 18:12:00 GMT -8
Jeepers... I honestly don't understand what all the fuss is about. The specimen is so obviously REAL... Its funny how many people seem to object you, Greg. That's just wrong... I know who you are, buddy. So, you've got my vote. Besides, that specimen is real.
Collectors are always interested in bilateral gynanders... Now, there's one here for all to see... and its being skepticized... IRONIC.
The specimen is real and its overpriced. THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT.
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