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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 6, 2020 15:48:20 GMT -8
Hey Paul, I'm really surprised that you don't have a drawer full for yourself. Looking at the range map of the species it should be all along the U.S./Canada border at least up until Montana.
I have to admit I am envious of bills drawer of specimens because I have never been able to find relicta anywhere near my area. Bill has said in the past that he has a population near his home. He lives in the center portion of my state which places him about 3 hours south of where I live.
He's very fortunate to say the least. That moth is a gem !!
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 6, 2020 16:01:55 GMT -8
Thank you again bill for your input and knowledge on these.
I must admit I am a little deflated in that I thought my one singular example was something unique and or maybe another form I was not aware of. Now, to only find out it is regarded as a regular form.
Oh well, this is sometimes the way of things when one is dabbling with Catocala.
Did you manage to pick up any specimens this year in your area bill?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 16:23:26 GMT -8
trehopr1,
“Oh well, this is sometimes the way of things when one is dabbling with Catocala.“. Don’t I know it.
Yes, I got one this summer here.....it’s the one at left of the two in row five. I’ve been blessed to have taken them in three locations.....a state park 15 mi away back when I had a permit, a city park 13 mi away where I got the one this year, and my back yard. One boom year I got 60 decent relicta here.......sent many to friends. The rest are from WI with two being from my buddy in AZ. Weather permitting before our coming cool down after some decent rains (we were in a drought scenario), I will head out tonight to try once more. The season is winding down atm.
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 6, 2020 22:25:00 GMT -8
Rayrard, your pictures are great (and big size too on my home computer screen) !
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Post by rayrard on Sept 6, 2020 22:31:23 GMT -8
Missed out on finding piatrix which my friends got while I was away last week.
Still stuck on 40, which may be where I end but I could still get piatrix, unijuga, or meskei. Hell, maybe the rare and mysterious briseis or robinsonii?
We had a few Cats at the light and bait. 3 cerogama, 2 cara, 2 nebulosa, 2 habilis, 1 vidua. All good to OK conditions. Cerogama and cara still look quite fresh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 22:44:54 GMT -8
Just got in. Got 1 innubens form hinda, 1 cara, 3 maestosa, and 1 junctura. We’re gonna get lots of rain and cold temps this week. Unless a good warm up follows, the season may be done for me. It was pretty good overall.
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 6, 2020 22:47:11 GMT -8
Cerogama is a good find in my book (at least out here) in Illinois. I have only collected in in the far southern counties of my state. only twice at that ! Cara is one of my ALL TIME favorites but, alas I have collected very few here as I have never had one show up at light (of any kind). Have picked up 4 whilst sugaring. Don't use traps either because of the wasps (as you mentioned) and also because I could not check them in any timely manner due to work and family responsibilities.
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 6, 2020 22:49:54 GMT -8
Good night indeed bill. Heck, the cara and 3 maestosa alone are fantastic finds !
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Post by Adam Cotton on Sept 7, 2020 0:05:39 GMT -8
Testing the image: C. cerogama normal versus all dark Superb, I can see them all! Adam.
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Post by rayrard on Sept 7, 2020 3:38:23 GMT -8
cara is one of the most bait-heavy species I've encountered, with concumbens being very much light only. I think I've seen a cara at light maybe once and concumbens at bait maybe twice. These two species are also never really found tapping, but I've seen cara under eaves by day like amatrix is fond of doing. I have found few few species that can be tapped, baited, and lighted with equal frequency. I have strong bait and tapping species like palaeogama and ilia be only sporadic or hit-and-runners at light. A common daytime species like epione can be common at light but never comes to bait. I think my nominee for the best jack-of-all-trades is C. vidua which I've gotten at all three commonly but light seems to be it's least favorite.
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Post by mothman27 on Sept 7, 2020 8:53:55 GMT -8
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Post by rayrard on Sept 7, 2020 11:24:17 GMT -8
Those all look like praeclara. I am also unsure of how to separate mira and blandula.
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 8, 2020 11:23:26 GMT -8
In looking over tim's close up photo's I find C. amica and lineela both tough to tell apart. They are similar in size, hindwings look the same, and only the forewings appear different. Although, tim only shows (or has one amica). These little ones it seems can be tough too...
I'm not doubting tim's determination of these two. I suppose those light gray patches on the forewings of amica do make it a standout from lineela (after looking at it again)!
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Post by rayrard on Sept 8, 2020 20:25:52 GMT -8
amica and lineella are very easy to tell apart in CT at a quick glance. In the south they can vary more and there is an undescribed species that looks like them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 14:46:09 GMT -8
Yep....those little guys can be a pain to ID. Below is what I use to tell amica from lineella. It may not be perfect, but it seems to work for me.
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