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Post by beetlehorn on Feb 6, 2016 8:13:36 GMT -8
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 6, 2016 10:18:22 GMT -8
Unless you are pregnant it is absolutely HARMLESS. However if you catch it while pregnant there is a risk that your child may have issues, particularly microcephaly. This virus has been here in Thailand for a long time, and no-one has had known associated problems.
There is also very little REAL risk of transmission other than by Aedes mosquitos, although there are a few rare cases of direct transmission.
Basically, don't panic Captain Mainwaring ... it's just the usual media hype.
Adam.
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Post by hypanartia on Feb 6, 2016 10:33:42 GMT -8
Please, do not contribute to increase the fear. Until now the only cases confirmed in the USA are from travelers, and the only properly confirmed way of transmission is through carrier mosquitoes (which can no survive in most of the USA). There is not demonstrated (there is only a suspicion) a cause-effect relation between infection and microcephaly in newborns, although it is a demonstrated relation with some types of neurologic disorders in adults (in a small fraction of the infected individuals).
I fully agree with the overall feeling of ornothorchid. They are many diseases with a far greater number of cases worldwide and more deadly that remain unnoticed for the public. Just to mention another viral mosquito borne disease, Dengue, closely related to Zika and far more deadly. It is as close to USA or more that the Zika virus, but does not cause, as for today, the same alarm. I think a great deal of the problem is because of the attention of the media and the involvement of child among the patients. This both create a huge public pressure in USA and other developed countries. The photos of babies with microcephaly scare to death (obviously) to any pregnant women, the husbands... Press, now social media, are big movers of this alarm. Remember that the H1N1 caused a far less number of deaths than the common flu (which cause a huge number of deaths every year), but the public fear for that particular diasease was huge. The self-centered culture of the "West" is part of the problem, although being honest I do not think the problems are approached differently for any other country, including african countries. First my problems, then maybe...
The idea which is extremely important to spread is that in a World hyperconnected, virtually but more importantly phisically, infectious diseases (all of them) are a common problem, that can affect us all, and which must be approach globally (no borders). Priorities must be selected in the basis of number of cases (and circulation, ...), but not in the basis of what is trending.
Just a thought
Jesus
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Post by leptraps on Feb 6, 2016 11:13:12 GMT -8
I am an American, and I can complain about how bad things are in my country without fear of the Government to come looking for me. I think they manage to get their fair share of revenge at the Airport.
Most of the majority of the medications to cure, vaccinate humanity or medical wonders are generated in America, not all, but a majority. I can call our president a rectal Orifice, which he is, again, without fear of the Government to come looking for me.
We live in a nation that responds to Disaster's around the world within hours of them happening. Case in point: Several years ago an earthquake struck Haiti. The damage was catastrophic. The first help on the scene was a US Navy Aircraft carrier which parked off the coast, laid paid to Port of Prince, fired up it's distillation system and provide water to the capital. The planes were set back home and were replace by medevac helicopter's which flew the critically injured to the medical field hospital set up throughout the ship. It saved thousands of lives. Carrier was parked there for 7 months. In the meantime US Army personnel rebuilt the water system, Power Utility Co.' from the US sent employees to Haiti to get the power back on. And then there were the hundred of Church's who members came to rebuild homes, schools and anything else they could. I am proud to be an American.
However, we (Americans) can also be absolutely stupid. We have law's that want to make you cry. We have people without homes, families with out enough food and infrastructure problems out the ying yang. But Congress spent several days debating what to do about the name of the Washington Foot Ball team. The Red Skins. It was said that the name was offensive to Native Americans. I could fix that problem in ten minutes. Just call them Washington Foreskins. That name more closely relates to all the Dick Head's we elect to Congress.
I need a nap.
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Post by Paul K on Feb 6, 2016 19:53:01 GMT -8
Most of the viruses are around for probably millions of years it's just we only recently have technology to see them and great media to spread the panic globally more quickly then the virus its self.
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Post by beetlehorn on Feb 6, 2016 22:09:11 GMT -8
Well said Leroy! I really hate to have any kind of conflict with anyone, especially here amongst fellow collectors, but I get a sense of some real attitude when I read some of the comments regarding issues that affect us here in the US. While it may be true that certain viruses may have been around for a long time, does that mean that we Americans should not be concerned when they reach our shores just because they originated somewhere else? Just this past summer there was a real danger of the ebola virus spreading. No other country came to aid the people of Africa except brave doctors and scientists from the US. Any time there is a crisis, catastrophe, conflict or whatever, we Americans send our best to aid, rescue, and in many cases die for their cause, and what do we get in return? Then this attitude creeps up as if we owed it to the rest of the world to lend a hand every time, just because no one else will. I know that the decisions made in Washington often go against what the majority of the American people want, but I have to respect them. I would never want the job, but if I were in charge of this country I would focus more on the needs of hard working Americans first, and put other countries interests last! How many billions of dollars go to foreign aid each year (that includes finding cures and treatments for terrible diseases worldwide), and we don't even get a thank you. Forgive my rant here, but I just get so tired of hearing everyone blaming us Americans for their problems.
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Post by trehopr1 on Feb 6, 2016 22:44:19 GMT -8
Yep, seems like we Americans are ALWAYS the FIRST to step up to a world concern like disease, catastrophe, arrogant blowhard dictators, and terrorists just to name a few. And just the same we are it seems the first to get "kicked in the teeth" as thanks for not stepping up sooner.
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Post by trehopr1 on Feb 6, 2016 23:51:32 GMT -8
Actually, I really do wish the U.S. would take a much reduced role in world politics across the board. You know, bring it on home(our focus). In the meanwhile, we cut off all the ungrateful (good for little) nations that ride our coat tails and Hoover us for billions that their people see little of. In some cases, we take a hiatus altogether for maybe 5 or 10 years. Guaranteed, they will either be back to living in the Stone Age or they will be wanting to wash our feet in forgiveness.
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Post by jshuey on Feb 8, 2016 11:29:05 GMT -8
Yea they start cracking our b***s with the Zika Virus. When it was in Africa years ago, there was nobody talking about it. Now that it is in South America, the Yankees are getting scared. Better way to treat diseases is to treat and study them when they appear... ... and not when they appear in your own country. So typical of USA! Unless it is putting their country in danger, or bring big $$$ money... they wont care. WAKE UP AMERICA! A US effort discovered the darn virus almost 70 years ago... On April 18, 1947, fever developed in a rhesus monkey that had been placed in a cage on a tree platform in the Zika Forest of Uganda (3). The monkey, Rhesus 766, was a sentinel animal in the Rockefeller Foundation’s program for research on jungle yellow fever. Two days later, Rhesus 766, still febrile, was brought to the Foundation’s laboratory at Entebbe and its serum was inoculated into mice. After 10 days all mice that were inoculated intracerebrally were sick, and a filterable transmissible agent, later named Zika virus, was isolated from the mouse brains. In early 1948, ZIKV was also isolated from Aedes africanus mosquitoes trapped in the same forest (4). Serologic studies indicated that humans could also be infected (5). Transmission of ZIKV by artificially fed Ae. aegypti mosquitoes to mice and a monkey in a laboratory was reported in 1956 (6). wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/15/9/09-0442_articleIn the early 1980's, I remember my master's advisor (Bill Romoser) talking about transmission issues of many closely related viruses (at that time mostly Dengue as a model pathogen)in African mosquitos relative to the mechanisms required to pass through the peritrophic membrane - an act that is required for the pathogen to enter the saliva of potential vectors (ultimately allowing for transmission - it's worth noting that most potential pathogens can't get across the membrane). I don't generally get touchy about things "anti-American" but just because you didn't know about this particular disease until the US median picked up on it, doesn't mean that it was not on the radar for research and prevention... . Your general attitude begs the response... BITE ME
John ps - also worth noting that I do not agree with others above that the US should disengage with the "ungrateful people of the world" and focus exclusively on issue within our country. As current event clearly demonstrate, we live in a World where my problems are your problems. The western world ignored issues in the Middle East and northern Africa to the point that immigrants are overwhelming Europe. It's worth noting that we suffer the same issue here in the US on a smaller scale - and all we offer up is "build a fence" rather than solutions that can help elevate economic and social problems at the source... |
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Post by beetlehorn on Feb 8, 2016 16:27:25 GMT -8
Just today I heard that Obama wants $1.8 billion to go to vaccine research for this virus. If this disease has been around for so long, then why has no-one else stepped up to the plate? While it is true we cannot afford to ignore foreign issues, and at times it seems that we totally do.....I have to wonder why all of a sudden there is so much hype about this, and as I said before, why is it always up to us to come up with a solution?
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Post by Paul K on Feb 8, 2016 20:10:42 GMT -8
It is all about money and business and control the world. Nothing to be humanitarian nor help the others. And brainwashed populations believe our governments. But this forum I believe is about insects not politics so I will not comment anymore . It makes me sick ... I rather read about insects  |
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Post by exoticimports on Feb 9, 2016 8:40:54 GMT -8
More hype by the media to take focus off real issues.
"The world would be a better place if USA simply held their military units within their own country" that is, until we have to bail out a bunch of other countries. Maybe we should have sat out the European war in the 1940s. Maybe USA should abandon Saudia Arabia, Turkey, and Israel, and let them work it out. We'll keep our nose out of politics and places like Ukraine, Georgia, and Taiwan. Maybe the US military will help with the next catastrophic tsunami- but they'll have to do it from the safety of inside US borders.
Indeed, the founding fathers of USA envisioned a rather isolationist policy, with the exception of trade. In theory, I'm in favor of returning to this position, but in reality one can't always wait to determine if Hitler, Mao, or Daesh will become a domestic problem; after all, that was Chamberlain's choice, and see how that worked out.
Now, expanding on "trade"- that's not just trade in material goods. On the global scale it includes trade of goods (or cash or assistance) for security- including armed bases. If my neighbor is willing to let me put motion detectors in his yard too, who's to complain? If he wants me to come rushing to his aid in case of an emergency, do I not have the right to demand motion detectors prior to lending assistance?
Chuck
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Post by nomad on Feb 9, 2016 22:07:13 GMT -8
Gosh, this started as a thread about Zika Virus and has is ended as a defense of the US. In that case I think the Brits do and have done more than their fair share. Have a nice day.  |
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Post by leptraps on Feb 10, 2016 2:45:28 GMT -8
Speaking of politics, The United States of America just by the nature of being a super power has been very passive in regard to global conflict. We have the power to destroy just about every country in the world.
There is this pudgey little piss ant in North Korea who continues to rattle the Nuclear saber. I do not think for one minute that if he were to use a Nuke anywhere in the world that The United States of America would not hesitate for one minute to create a nuclear wasteland of North Korea.
Wait a minute here, I am a gentle and a scholar, the word piss ant is very degrading and not very nice. I apologize for my poor choice of words. Let me be more eloquent in my choice of words, how about rectal orifice. Yes, that's much better.
See, I can very polite.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 10, 2016 6:39:28 GMT -8
"Let me be more eloquent in my voice of words, how about recal orifice."
I think there is a 't' missing near the end of that sentence, never mind the 'v' instead of 'ch' right in the middle. I guess that's the problem with typing on a mobile, and not switching off the text prediction software. Never mind that small problem, which doesn't really detract from the main point.
Adam.
PS. I am sure we all enjoyed your eloquence regardless. I certainly like reading your posts!
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