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Post by dynastes on Jul 1, 2014 21:17:56 GMT -8
One well-known me seller sells allegedly male of Ornithoptera chimaera chimaera. But I have doubt that it is really chimaera chimaera, not chimaera charybdis. Сollection data is not present - only Papua New Guinea. Photo of this male added. Attachments:
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Post by nomad on Jul 2, 2014 21:22:02 GMT -8
Looks like a male of the nominate to me, but really the two races do not see to be clear cut. The chimaera chimaera males are usually quite a bit larger.
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Post by nomad on Jul 2, 2014 21:23:57 GMT -8
P.S. Its always best to buy specimens with proper data.
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Post by marcingajewski on Jul 3, 2014 0:49:00 GMT -8
P.S. Its always best to buy specimens with proper data. i agree Whith Nomad about data , but also i have draft of nominal so size is not always a sign . In my opinion on picture is charybdis , is bore green like nominal. Two from my nominals collection . Attachments:
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Post by krupten on Jul 5, 2014 23:45:45 GMT -8
Please provide photos of the verso - that should narrow the field on the identity and second what are the dates collected Size is not a factor in chimaera - there are often very small specimens that occur due to eating an atrophied plant in the wild. If you can post the verso I may be able to make an educated guess on the subspecific epithet for the specimen. Cheers Greg
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Post by krupten on Jul 5, 2014 23:47:20 GMT -8
Please provide photos of the verso - that should narrow the field on the identity and second what are the dates collected Size is not a factor in chimaera - there are often very small specimens that occur due to eating an atrophied plant in the wild. If you can post the verso I may be able to make an educated guess on the subspecific epithet for the specimen. Cheers Greg
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Post by papalidar on Jul 6, 2014 3:32:14 GMT -8
About the size of S chimaera, some statistics from sep charybdis from Irian (Enaratoli) and Papua (around Aseki) show largest ssp chimaera. There are some giants in Aseki (male 92mm and female 118mm) The document give the length of the forewing. Attachments:Size_chimaera.pdf (105.26 KB)
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Post by krupten on Jul 11, 2014 20:09:16 GMT -8
I looked at the pdf and yes - but size itself seems to have dual peaks for Charybdis - etc - and from Enaratoli and Aseki are far removed. When I was dealing in Australia - I had many chimaera - both from PNG but also Irian - and used to get them from Nabire, Wissel lakes (from Ray) and also from places like Timika, and Weylands and the Jayawidjaya range. I used to get up to a hundred pairs or more at a time.
However the morphology is slightly different and same with the maculation - thus the request to see the verso shot of the specimen. Cheers Greg
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Post by dynastes on Jul 14, 2014 1:08:59 GMT -8
verso Attachments:
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Post by nomad on Jul 14, 2014 11:20:47 GMT -8
It seems from the verso Marcin was correct in his ID.  |
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Post by krupten on Jul 14, 2014 16:57:01 GMT -8
the specimen with the verso shot is Charybdis - this phenotype is not represented in the Nominate race - Cheers
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Post by papalidar on Jul 14, 2014 23:00:24 GMT -8
I have obtain in a recent auction in Drouot (Paris) a pair of S chimera labelled Mamberamo (north Irian) The male (left) is different in colour and shape to the specimen from Aseki (right).  |
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