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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 1:23:33 GMT -8
Had 3 catocala this morning all too damaged to collect. Did have another owl fly so the morning was not a total loss
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Post by rayrard on Sept 7, 2014 19:01:11 GMT -8
Was upstate in CT and had a bunch of students with us and 6 MV lights and 3 blacklight sheets and 3 BL traps. Friday night for all the warmness and humidity did not have very good diversity and the sheets were fairly slow. There was little on bait, and the Catocala started slow but picked up into the night. By the end of the night, I had kept on one MV sheet and shut down the rest, and got several Catocala at this one. Blacklight bucket traps set up on the ground had nothing good, while a single BL trap placed on the top of the building had a lot of moths in it. Interesting...
Catocala palaeogama - 10+ (one phalanga) C. relicta - 1 (finally caught one) C. concumbens - 2 C. ilia - 6+ C. epione - 1 (worn) C. obscura - 4 C. coccinata - 4 (late) C. habilis C. retecta C. vidua C. amica C. lineella C. andromedae - 1 (worn)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 1:55:15 GMT -8
A cold front came through last Friday. I have collected no moths of any kind since.
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Post by multicaudata on Sept 9, 2014 16:22:11 GMT -8
Just arrived in my new home state of Nebraska a little over two weeks ago, and the season is still going here, although probably starting to wind down. I've found multiple C. amatrix, junctura, semirelicta, maestosa, a big black one I can't figure out, a medium red one I can't figure out, and two big orange ones I can't figure out (I suck at ID'ing these things when I'm not on what I still think of as my "home turf" back in CA!)
What's frustrating is that I have yet to find a C. cara, even though I've seen good numbers of other underwings and it's supposed to be fairly common here as far as I know. (My only specimen is a worn one from OH and I really want a fresher one!) I've looked on lights, tapped trees, etc. and I'm running out of time for cara... Any hints on where and how to find one??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 18:17:33 GMT -8
multicaudata,
Post some pics when you get a chance. Until a year ago I had never collected them. So I have trouble with identification too. That's exactly what I plan to do when mine come off the boards. There are several members on here that I am sure can help you and me with ID's. Leptraps, Beetlehorn and Billgarthe are a few that come to mind. All of these guys know their Catocala.
Joe
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Post by rayrard on Sept 9, 2014 21:57:42 GMT -8
I'd like to see some images of people's material! My first relicta
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Post by appybugs on Sept 10, 2014 4:11:55 GMT -8
Got C. marmorata this morning!
Eric
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Post by jshuey on Sept 10, 2014 4:54:40 GMT -8
Got C. marmorata this morning! Eric I'd love to know what habitats were nearby. In Indiana - I suspect that the host plant is swamp cottonwood - and that this bug is rarely collected because no-one likes to venture into swamps – especially further south where cottonmouths are so common in these habitats. Were there swamps nearby the spot where you collected marmorata? John
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Post by appybugs on Sept 10, 2014 6:11:51 GMT -8
Hi John, It is very interesting that there are no swamps around this area. I also have met and talked with John Peacock, who to the best of my knowledge, is the only person to have reared this species and I’m convinced that there are other hosts than Swamp Cottonwood (Populus heterophylla). The area that I find C. marmorata regularly is over 3,000 ft. in elevation of the southern Appalachians in North Carolina. I have looked many times for Swamp Cottonwood around here and have never found it. Also, according to the USDA Forest Service, the plant is not found within 250 miles of this area. Much work needs to be done with this elusive moth.
Eric
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 8:07:29 GMT -8
Got C. marmorata this morning! Eric I'd love to know what habitats were nearby. In Indiana - I suspect that the host plant is swamp cottonwood - and that this bug is rarely collected because no-one likes to venture into swamps – especially further south where cottonmouths are so common in these habitats. Were there swamps nearby the spot where you collected marmorata? John I venture into the swamps just to see cottonmouths
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Post by jshuey on Sept 10, 2014 11:49:39 GMT -8
Hi John, It is very interesting that there are no swamps around this area. I also have met and talked with John Peacock, who to the best of my knowledge, is the only person to have reared this species and I’m convinced that there are other hosts than Swamp Cottonwood (Populus heterophylla). The area that I find C. marmorata regularly is over 3,000 ft. in elevation of the southern Appalachians in North Carolina. I have looked many times for Swamp Cottonwood around here and have never found it. Also, according to the USDA Forest Service, the plant is not found within 250 miles of this area. Much work needs to be done with this elusive moth. Eric I took John to the spot where he got his eggs. He reared them back in Ohio on normal cotton wood - but the best we could guess is that swamp cottonwood was the most likely host. Why would a general cottonwood feeder be rare? So – it sounds like there must be other hosts as well – but it’s still a darn rare moth. John
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 17:55:43 GMT -8
Congrats to rayrard on your first C. Relicta. This moth is gorgeous and I never tire of collecting them.
Congrats to Appybugs on your C. marmorata. That moth is a prize.
May u both get many more of each:)
Sadly, we r in the throws of a Canadian cold spell here in Illinois which will stifle the Cats for a while.
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Post by leptraps on Sept 10, 2014 18:16:43 GMT -8
Hi John, It is very interesting that there are no swamps around this area. I also have met and talked with John Peacock, who to the best of my knowledge, is the only person to have reared this species and I’m convinced that there are other hosts than Swamp Cottonwood (Populus heterophylla). The area that I find C. marmorata regularly is over 3,000 ft. in elevation of the southern Appalachians in North Carolina. I have looked many times for Swamp Cottonwood around here and have never found it. Also, according to the USDA Forest Service, the plant is not found within 250 miles of this area. Much work needs to be done with this elusive moth. Eric I took John to the spot where he got his eggs. He reared them back in Ohio on normal cotton wood - but the best we could guess is that swamp cottonwood was the most likely host. Why would a general cottonwood feeder be rare? So – it sounds like there must be other hosts as well – but it’s still a darn rare moth. John
I am no so sure it is that rare, just another seldom encountered species. While living in Mississippi I encountered it a number of times, always in swampy areas or wet woods. I never encountered it east of the Delta area. I have seen (Just not able to catch) Catocala marmorata in several locations in Kentucky, Tennessee and southern Indiana. The southern Indiana area is in Perry County.
Below is a list of the records of Catocala marmorata in the Lepidopterists Society Season Summary. Most are from Piedmont area of North and South Carolina. It must feed on something other than Swamp Cottonwood.
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Post by rayrard on Sept 10, 2014 22:27:00 GMT -8
I took John to the spot where he got his eggs. He reared them back in Ohio on normal cotton wood - but the best we could guess is that swamp cottonwood was the most likely host. Why would a general cottonwood feeder be rare? So – it sounds like there must be other hosts as well – but it’s still a darn rare moth. John
I am no so sure it is that rare, just another seldom encountered species. While living in Mississippi I encountered it a number of times, always in swampy areas or wet woods. I never encountered it east of the Delta area. I have seen (Just not able to catch) Catocala marmorata in several locations in Kentucky, Tennessee and southern Indiana. The southern Indiana area is in Perry County.
Below is a list of the records of Catocala marmorata in the Lepidopterists Society Season Summary. Most are from Piedmont area of North and South Carolina. It must feed on something other than Swamp Cottonwood.
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anyone know the northern extent of the range of marmorata? There is an image of what appears to be marmorata from Massachusetts or something on Bugguide, but MPG says it is a southern species.
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Post by rayrard on Sept 10, 2014 22:31:20 GMT -8
Was upstate in CT and had a bunch of students with us and 6 MV lights and 3 blacklight sheets and 3 BL traps. Friday night for all the warmness and humidity did not have very good diversity and the sheets were fairly slow. There was little on bait, and the Catocala started slow but picked up into the night. By the end of the night, I had kept on one MV sheet and shut down the rest, and got several Catocala at this one. Blacklight bucket traps set up on the ground had nothing good, while a single BL trap placed on the top of the building had a lot of moths in it. Interesting... Catocala palaeogama - 10+ (one phalanga) C. relicta - 1 (finally caught one) C. concumbens - 2 C. ilia - 6+ C. epione - 1 (worn) C. obscura - 4 C. coccinata - 4 (late) C. habilis C. retecta C. vidua C. amica C. lineella C. andromedae - 1 (worn) an update after spreading and checking ID's Catocala residua - 1 C. flebilis - 1 C. ultronia (worn) - 1 C. sp. (yellow HW small species with dark HW middle band and dark FW apex) A 17 species night, which is great given the Cats were not at bait and were not coming in frequently. If I added C. cerogama, C. cara, and C. neogama I had there last year I could have gotten 20 species!
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