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Post by nomad on Mar 25, 2014 10:34:52 GMT -8
I have seen the pictures of the specimens and as far as I can tell they were the real deal. Specimens from 1836 with good data from a known collector from that time and the overall appearance of the specimens was good. The experts who put prices on the specimens at Rieunier often make big mistakes. If they had noticed the specimens and advertized them properly they would have fetched a lot more... Somebody really made a steal. Even though specimens of British rarities have good data and appear genuine there have been a number of suspect dispar appearing according to one well known U.K collector. It is not hard to get historical dispar data here. It seems that recently for whatever reason a lot of apparently genuine dispar are being offered to collectors in the know. The data on some of these specimens is correct, right year, right collector, locality and pins. The latter are not hard to obtain, on common older specimens. However, when the hand-writing of names of these collectors having been scrutinised with those specimens which are known to be genuine examples from that collector because they came from very old collections, the hand writing was different. Also the paper although old did not compare with those ancient data labels. So if your offered L. dispar dispar examples collectors beware. I am not saying that those in the auction box were not the real deal and today in Britain four genuine dispar would fetch 2400 euros. I might add that some of the suspect specimens that have been seen recently with the right data were by W. T. Bree 1836! It is also very easy to get breeding stock of subspecies batavus and in spite of what a few might tell you and have told me, this race is virtually indistinguishable from the extinct dispar. It is also of couse easy to change the data labels on old batavus specimens!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 11:16:26 GMT -8
Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedThere are 2 people that I know of who are selling European maculinea arion as the extinct British race, one of them a very well known dealer so the thought that dispar batavus is being sold as dispar dispar is not too hard to believe, as Peter said the livestock of batavus is not that difficult to obtain, I myself have quite a few ex pupae specimens, all my arion come from a Fellow of the Royal Entomological Society, I would never buy from a source where there was even the slightest doubt. Here are some GENUINE historical British rarities including many of the historical specimens that you have seen illustrated in books or heard about over the years, enjoy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 11:19:33 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 11:37:29 GMT -8
Here is a pair I bred from livestock, if anybody can tell the difference between these and dispar dispar let me know.
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Post by terry2014 on Mar 26, 2014 6:07:27 GMT -8
There are 2 people that I know of who are selling European maculinea arion as the extinct British race, one of them a very well known dealer so the thought that dispar batavus is being sold as dispar dispar is not too hard to believe, as Peter said the livestock of batavus is not that difficult to obtain, I myself have quite a few ex pupae specimens, all my arion come from a Fellow of the Royal Entomological Society, I would never buy from a source where there was even the slightest doubt. Here are some GENUINE historical British rarities including many of the historical specimens that you have seen illustrated in books or heard about over the years, enjoy. These are very impressive Dunc. Are all of them from one individuals collection.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 6:17:25 GMT -8
No Terry, they are 2 peoples stuff there, the large coppers are from one persons collection and the rest from another person, same place as I got all my very rare/extinct butterflies and moths from.
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Post by nomad on Mar 26, 2014 10:34:07 GMT -8
Some really nice historical specimens there dunc, I have had as you know close encounters with the dispar. What happened to the other half of the black machaon??? Peter
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 11:26:03 GMT -8
That is the way it came out of the pupa Peter, I know L W Newman tried to keep breeding the black form but failed.
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Post by thebugmaniac on Jan 3, 2015 12:24:31 GMT -8
Please some comment on my picture
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Post by mantisboy on Jan 3, 2015 12:43:54 GMT -8
Is the right one a female? Also, very nice half a black machaon, Dunc!
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Post by thebugmaniac on Jan 3, 2015 14:56:11 GMT -8
Yes , its a rare female ...its for sale
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Post by nomad on Jan 4, 2015 11:31:10 GMT -8
Yes , its a rare female ...its for sale Looks to have broken antennae, a real rarity though.
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