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Post by lepidofrance on Dec 17, 2013 3:53:43 GMT -8
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Post by lepidofrance on Dec 17, 2013 5:38:36 GMT -8
Number 16 seems to be : Hemileucinae : Gamelia abasia (STOLL, 1781).
Right ?
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Post by lepidofrance on Dec 17, 2013 5:44:44 GMT -8
and what about this nice caterpillar ?  |
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Post by oehlkew on Dec 17, 2013 5:56:21 GMT -8
Many very similar species have recently been described. Often a more precise location is very helpful for id work.
I am pretty sure I will be able to id all of them for you, if you can be more specific with regard to which ones are from Esmeraldas, which from Carchi, which from Imbabura.
I also request permission to post to WLSS the images, credited to you, that I have identified.
I clicked on a few of the images and see you have posted location on the image. Thanks. I will work on them later this evening, comparing what was previously known from western Ecuador with the species described in 2010-2013.
Quite a few of your tentative ids need to be corrected, based on recent findings.
Thanks for sharing.
Bill Oehlke
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Post by lepidofrance on Dec 17, 2013 6:44:19 GMT -8
Some informations about the locations : - Tunda Loma Lodge, Calderon, San Lorenzo (Esmeraldas) : low Choco Rainforest, about 100 m asl - Gualchan and Las Juntas (Carchi) : High Choco Forest (about 1900 and 1500 m asl) - Los Cedros Biological Reserve (Imbabura) : Cloud Forest, 1600 m asl ; see : reservaloscedros.org/A hot spot for Moths !!! A great spot !!! And in peculiar for Saturniidae !! Researching for butterflies (and not moths at all), we don't have collecting night equipment. These moths were those coming to the restaurant lights (not mercury bulb). Here is a Google Earth map : Attachment DeletedMany thanks ! |
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Post by lepidofrance on Dec 17, 2013 7:03:48 GMT -8
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Post by lepidofrance on Dec 17, 2013 9:01:43 GMT -8
Is number 15 : Dirphia avia (STOLL, 1780), female ?
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Post by oehlkew on Dec 17, 2013 15:31:44 GMT -8
1 - 2 Automeris neipelti
3 - 7 Automeris metzli
8 - 9 Dirphia apeggyae
10 Copaxa winbrechlini
11 Syssphinx bidens, but I am not sure. I think the Adeloneivaia from western Ecuador have forewing apices that are considerably more acute. It might be one of the recently described species. The last issue for 2013 of the Entomo-Satsphingia journals features a number of species from Ecuador and I have not received it yet.
I will try to have a look at the others tomorrow.
Bill Oehlke
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Post by lepidofrance on Dec 17, 2013 18:04:59 GMT -8
Thank you so much !
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Post by oehlkew on Dec 18, 2013 13:51:08 GMT -8
12 Hylesia bouvereti; not sure of this one
14 don't know; do you have another image of this one showing wings more perpendicular to camera angle?
15 Dirphia avichoco replaces Dirphia avia in western Colombia (Choco) so possibly extends further south into Carchi, Imbabura, etc. in western Ecuador. I am not sure but will place it temporarily on avichoco file, Certainly belongs to Dirphia avia group
16 Gamelia rudloffi, one of the recently described species (2011)
17 Citheronia equatorialis
I think there is a good chance the larva is of Automeris neipelti as it seems to belong to the Egeus group. As I was researching the larva, I think that my original determination for 1-2 may be wrong. 1-2 look more like Automeris postalbida, and that is also a better geographic match. The larva, however, appears different enough for me to feel it is of a related species, but is not postalbida unless there is considerable variability in larvae. The larva of Automeris neipelti, to my knowledge, has not as yet been described or depicted.
For the most part the species on the western slopes/side of the Andes in Colombia, Ecuador and Peru are distinct and different from those on the eastern slopes, and those species are different from the Guayano-Amazonian species.
I hope I am around long enough to see many of the newly described species reared so we can also see the larvae.
Bill Oehlke
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Post by lepidofrance on Dec 18, 2013 16:05:35 GMT -8
Dear Bill, Again, thousands thanks for these interesting comments. 1. A second saturniid (I presume) larva from Las Juntas (1500 m asl), Carchi Prov. Attachment Deleted2. About 14, no better photo of the moth, but some pictures of the location : above Gualchan, + or - 2000 m asl, Carchi Prov. : View from the right place to the South : Attachment DeletedThe moth was pictured (and collected, I have to spread it) on the ground close to the car, not far from this "quebrada" which was rich in buttefflies (when sunny weather !!) : Attachment DeletedSame picture, higher resolution : Attachment Deleted3. No doubt that eastern andean and western faunas are different. We were there to study the Choco butterfly fauna (western slopes of the Andes). As soon as possible (a couple of weeks), a new website devoted to the Rhopalocera of the Cotacachi-Cayapas Reserve will be open.  |
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Post by oehlkew on Dec 18, 2013 16:46:16 GMT -8
14 is possibly Automeris abdomipichinchensis. Did you notice a hindwing ocellus? perhaps totally obscured by the forewings?
Second larva is possibly same as first.
Bill Oehlke
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Post by lepidofrance on Dec 18, 2013 17:39:15 GMT -8
Here is a photo from 14, truly an Automeris ; because the insect is still not completly dry, it's possible to have a partial view of the upperside : Attachment DeletedIs it : Automeris abdomipichinchensis ? |
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Post by oehlkew on Dec 19, 2013 4:31:04 GMT -8
Yes, that is Automeris abdomipichinchensis.
Do you also have dates for these images?
Bill Oehlke
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Post by lepidofrance on Dec 19, 2013 10:55:10 GMT -8
Another Automeris photo I forgot to join :  From the Tunda Loma Lodge in Calderon, near San Lorenzo (Esmeraldas) : elevation : 100 m asl. December 6 or 7 (I have to check). What do you mean by "dates for these images" ? I wrote all the locations. Los Cedros : November 17 to 20. Other locations : since November 20 to December 15. I'll give you more acurate informations later. All the bets, JMG |
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