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Post by mikelock34 on Nov 12, 2013 8:04:50 GMT -8
Do not send payment for specimens before receiving the specimens.
Please do not respond to this post other than to translate this amazing advice into every other language on Earth. Thank you for your kind attention. I am glad this issue has finally been settled! PHEW!
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Post by mikelock34 on May 3, 2015 6:13:28 GMT -8
I will update the above advice to include "to anyone." If you have an attached Siamese twin brother who offers you specimens, do not give him payment until he delivers the specimens and you have time to check them for quality and correct identification.
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 3, 2015 11:16:41 GMT -8
While I agree that NO PAYMENT BEFORE RECEIPT OF SPECIMENS is the golden rule, it does work both ways.
A Thai friend sent a high value order of insects by registered post to a supposedly reputable dealer in France at least 2 years ago and has never received any payment for the specimens (I brought this issue up in the trading reports section at the time) despite the specimens having been received and advertised for sale (with photos) on the dealer's website.
If anyone orders specimens they MUST also pay for them, it is only fair. Bear in mind also that the relative value of money lost to an insect exporter in the tropics is actually much higher than the same amount of money in Europe or the USA.
Adam.
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Post by mikelock34 on May 6, 2015 3:54:22 GMT -8
While I agree that NO PAYMENT BEFORE RECEIPT OF SPECIMENS is the golden rule, it does work both ways. A Thai friend sent a high value order of insects by registered post to a supposedly reputable dealer in France at least 2 years ago and has never received any payment for the specimens (I brought this issue up in the trading reports section at the time) despite the specimens having been received and advertised for sale (with photos) on the dealer's website. If anyone orders specimens they MUST also pay for them, it is only fair. Bear in mind also that the relative value of money lost to an insect exporter in the tropics is actually much higher than the same amount of money in Europe or the USA. Adam. Absolutely! That is why it is important to protect both traders and buyers from criminals by exposing the criminals using the forums instead of protecting the criminals by allowing them to post classified advertisements and allowing them to continue their criminal activities of stealing money from forum members and others. DO NOT PROTECT CRIMINALS! EXPOSE THEM! This will help others to not lose their money to frauds. |
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Post by jshuey on May 6, 2015 4:33:25 GMT -8
If I may add – don’t risk money (or specimens) you can’t afford to lose. My gosh, we’re talking about buying insects here from people you’ve never met, who barley speak your language, and who live half way around the world.
If you can’t afford it, keep it in your wallet.
If you can afford it, and you get screwed --- C'est la vie!
John
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 5:40:31 GMT -8
I do not collect exotic specimens for this exact reason. I am content to collect what is native to my area. If I can't catch it I don't collect it.
Joe
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Post by exoticimports on May 6, 2015 11:00:18 GMT -8
While I agree that NO PAYMENT BEFORE RECEIPT OF SPECIMENS is the golden rule, it does work both ways. Adam. Yes, a big US retailer did that to a friend of mine. Got the bugs, never paid. Both sides have risk. My suggestion: keep the shipments and money transfers small. If you can't afford to lose it, don't do it. |
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Post by nomad on May 6, 2015 12:33:27 GMT -8
My limited advice is pay the extra and buy from people that you trust.
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Post by nomad on May 6, 2015 12:35:37 GMT -8
or pay the extra at a good insect fair, if you can get to one, you see the specimens, you hand over the cash, there in your box, nicely set and everyone's happy.
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Post by mygos on May 6, 2015 12:47:42 GMT -8
Well said Peter ! I get fed up with these stories of "blue victoriae" "female zalmoxis" "Michael and his friend Greg", and all the others ... The "Pere Noel" does not exist ! We all learn from experience and we all here had bad stories we could tell you about : that's life  A+, Michel |
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Post by suzuki on May 6, 2015 13:45:35 GMT -8
And well said Michel. We all sometimes get adventourous and occasionally suffer the consequences.
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Post by nomad on May 7, 2015 9:36:51 GMT -8
I agree, sometimes you lose, that's life.
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