Help with 2 insects

[labellearaignee]

The first is this guy. I found multiples of these near a clean stream in upstate New York over about 2 weeks. I have found stonefly adults near this stream in previous years if that helps narrow it down. I thought that this was a stonefly at first, but the ones I found before were about 5 times larger at least. Also, these guys that I found this time don't have cerci. This picture shows its wings. The bottom pair are folded in at the bottom and have a larger, more rounded lobe. Its abdomen is segmented and sticks out about 3/4 cm past the thorax. It is hidden in the picture.


The second is this insect. Looks like a Hemipteran, possible Tingidae, but I have yet to find one of those around this area in upstate NY. It has been living in a vial for a week now and has not died yet, so I am hesitant to pin it until it kicks the bucket, making IDing difficult. Tingidae?

[entoman]

The second insect belongs to the family Aradidae.

[labellearaignee]

It appears to be Aradidae, indeed. Thanks!

[rjb]

I would guess caddisfly, Trichoptera for the top one. I know little about these, but ones looking a lot like that come to UV light in abundance here in NM. I've never tried keying them below order.
Rick

[mantisboy]

For the top one, I'd say a stonefly, order Plecoptera

[entoman]

A photograph of the first insect from a different angle may aid in identification.

[ckswank]

I agree that a different angle should help with ID. Could be Scorpionfly, order Mecoptera.

Charlie

[rjb]

Also if you submit a photo of any north american insect to ID request on www.bugguide.net you will usually get a good ID rather quickly.
Lots of very knowledgeable folks help out on that site. Insects from the northeast US get very good treatment.

The American Insects volume would separate Plecoptera from Trichoptera by wing venation, but looking through the thousands of images on Bugguide suggests that this is not necessarily obvious for all species. Your picture doesn't show the many crossbars expected for Plecoptera, but maybe ask Bugguide.

Rick