myko61
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Post by myko61 on Jan 10, 2013 5:03:51 GMT -8
Box 7 bottom female is O.p.caelestis female not urvillanus. Some very nice specimens. And some hard to get specimens as well. Very nice.
Norm
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bas
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Post by bas on Jan 10, 2013 5:59:03 GMT -8
Ik.zie dat je me tip hebt gevolgd hopelijk kom je er verder mee
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Post by bashissel on Jan 10, 2013 6:24:28 GMT -8
Thanks all for the replies so far.
So, if I'm correct I should combine the bottom-right female from box 7 and the male from box 11 to make a pair of O. p. caelestis. Any thoughts concerning the female in box 11, is it indeed O. p. teucrus?
I'm located in the Netherlands, making it hard to sell the collection overseas. And just to be sure, do I need Cites permits for these specimens? They are all collected before 1980, in the time Cites didn't exist yet. Therefore, there are no permits present.
Thanks again!
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Post by bashissel on Jan 10, 2013 6:33:57 GMT -8
I also got this nice book by Bernard D'Abrera for sale: Birdwing Butterflies of the World. It's in mint condition and this one can be shipped worldwide. Attachments:
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 10, 2013 6:45:49 GMT -8
bashissel < yes you need permits to re-sell them. You won't obtain those permits ... You should better sell it to someone who can pick them up in Holland.
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Post by simosg on Jan 10, 2013 10:14:04 GMT -8
Within EU you can ship them without any problems.
Hannes
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Post by antheatre on Jan 12, 2013 7:54:54 GMT -8
bashissel, try posting on www.actias.deIt is a German-moderated site and has plenty of European members. Kind regards, Ryan
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Post by simosg on Jan 12, 2013 10:00:34 GMT -8
That is NOT a true!! It is only a blind wish of collectors. You need to have permits to sell it. And if it is "gift" you need permits too if they were collected after 1947. The only change in EU is, that you do not need export/import permits. But all other permits are untouched!! Remember this! It is not so easy as many people think... Radovan It is true. I didn't say you don't need a permit. I just said, shipping is without problem into EU. Parcels are not opened at custom then. Hannes
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Post by bashissel on Jan 14, 2013 4:07:26 GMT -8
Thanks again for the replies.
So, just to be clear. I do need permits to sell these butterflies, even in the Netherlands, but I can't get them and therefore I can't sell them?
Or is there a way to obtain the permits I need?
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Post by nomihoudai on Jan 14, 2013 9:23:40 GMT -8
There should be in your country a ministry that deals with the enforcement of CITES laws. You should call them and they should give you advice. In Germany CITES gets enforced by the "Bundesamt für Naturschutz" and they have a form to fill out for preCITES specimens to register them and make them commercially available. The Netherlands pretty sure has the same. Many fur coats or jewellery (with ivory for example) falls under the same laws and nobody tosses them away, so the same should also work for butterflies. The worst that could happen is that they tell you that this is not possible and then you just reply that it was a hypothetical question
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bas
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Post by bas on Jan 14, 2013 9:29:09 GMT -8
Heee Bas ,
heb je te net een mailtje gestuurd bel het ministerie van landbouw even 0800 22 333 22 die helpen je verder
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Post by bashissel on Mar 15, 2013 4:12:48 GMT -8
Hey all, Last week I thoroughly cleaned out the display cases of the birdwings and they look awesome again. The owner would like to sell his collection but he doesn't know what to sell it for. So my final question to you guys is if you could give me an estimate of what this collection might be worth. I hope you can help me (and the owner) out. Thanks in advance! Bas Attachments:
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Post by bashissel on Mar 15, 2013 4:13:36 GMT -8
In this one the colors are better. Attachments:
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