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Post by papilio28570 on Jan 5, 2013 18:45:26 GMT -8
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Post by nomad on Jan 6, 2013 2:01:37 GMT -8
There is a good book on the butterfly smuggler Yoshi Kojima by Jessica Speart called ' Winged Obsession' [2011].
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Post by bas on Jan 6, 2013 8:35:15 GMT -8
Can I download that book somewhere?
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Post by nomad on Jan 6, 2013 11:08:54 GMT -8
Can I download that book somewhere? Bas, I doubt if you can download this book, it being quite new but it is certainly a exciting read and worth buying. A very well researched book Nomad. |
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Post by nomad on Jan 6, 2013 11:36:47 GMT -8
The book. Attachments:
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Post by bas on Jan 6, 2013 11:57:01 GMT -8
Im thinkinf of buying it it has a nice cover as wel it looks nice on my shelff  but cash is low and my urge to collect is very high haha but I will read this I came across the article a while back and I like the adventures kind of crook its like that movie catch me if you can with Tom Hanks anyway is there still a black market for O Alexandrea or is it really unobtainable ?? |
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Post by bas on Jan 6, 2013 12:28:34 GMT -8
just bought it |
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Post by bas on Jan 6, 2013 12:49:18 GMT -8
the book
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Post by nomad on Jan 6, 2013 13:07:20 GMT -8
just bought it Bas. Hope you enjoy the book. There will always be a black market in unobtainable species like O. alexandrae, money speaks. But the price for getting caught is very high. Look what happened to Yoshi and the well known Canadian Ornithoptera expert Gilles Deslisle who got a massive fine for importing this butterfly. Like Yoshi he could have gone to prison. This is the same Deslisle who proposed a new genus for alexandrae 'Straatmana' in 2001. Nomad. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 1:31:42 GMT -8
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Post by nomad on Jan 7, 2013 3:50:34 GMT -8
Stringer, I have seen those fantastic replicas first hand at the Kempton Park insect show. They are rather pricey but works of art. I would happy to hang them on the wall in my den but not include them in my collection. I would not see the point in this. If I could ever afford them, I would rather wait to see if old specimens of alexandrae come up for sale. Or if alexandrae is ever put on Cites two. It is not collectors endangering this awesome insect but those greedy loggers and oil plantation owners. Why they do not farm this butterfly puzzles me. This would help the poor papuan villagers earn money. It would keep collectors happy and would therefore help save the dwindling rain-forest and ultimately save this magnificent butterfly from extinction. But I would not hold my breath. I and the butterfly will probably be long gone by the time the conservationists realized where they went wrong. Peter. P.s. My avatar is one of the best alexandrae specimens I have ever seen. It is in the Manchester museum and was bred by A. S. Meek in 1907 and very beautifully set by him. |
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 7, 2013 3:54:28 GMT -8
"Why they do not farm this butterfly puzzles me ?"
--> the answer is well known. They don't want Papuan villagers to sustainably live from their forest, they want them to sell it to palm oil industry...
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Post by nomad on Jan 7, 2013 4:01:51 GMT -8
 This sound about right Wollastoni. Lots of corruption goes on.
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 7, 2013 5:22:26 GMT -8
Borneo lost all his forests in less than 30 years, it is now the turn of New Guinea.
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Post by bas on Jan 7, 2013 5:53:53 GMT -8
CITES is there to protect animals right? not just insects but any animals I believe so isn't made from a board of people with some ideology I mean it can't be that corrupt right?? If O.Alexandrae can be bred just like any onther insect specie it can also be done in other countries than PNG it just doesn't make any sense. banning trade in O.Alexandrae is basically a death warrant I think. So what are the upsides to banning the trade  |
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but cash is low and my urge to collect is very high haha but I will read this I came across the article a while back and I like the adventures kind of crook its like that movie catch me if you can with Tom Hanks anyway is there still a black market for O Alexandrea or is it really unobtainable ??
This sound about right Wollastoni. Lots of corruption goes on.