Big Noctuidae ID wanted

[hewi]

Someone knows this moth (Noctuidae ?) from Malaysia, Cameron Highlands ?
The wingspan is 6,3 cm

Thanks for the help !

Manfred

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[hewi]

Nobody has any idea ?

[leptraps]

Show the underside.

[Adam Cotton]

It looks like Scrobigera albomarginata, checking the Thai Noctuidae book (Kononenko & Pinratana, 2005), although that book does not list Malaysia in the species distribution.

Adam.

[hewi]

Hi Adam,

your suggestion is in good agreement with the figure of
S. albomarginata on the website mothphotograph.web.fc2.com/Agaristinae/agaristinae3.html
The only difference is the much broader white outer margin of my specimen.
But this could indicate a different (new ?) subspecies.
As it may be, your suggestion was great, as always !!!!
Many thanks for your effort !

Best regards
Manfred

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[prillbug4]

Actually, Scrobigera albomarginata is completely black, and has a thin white border along both wings, not the wide border that is pictured here. There's a photograph of it on Thai bugs. The identification is not correct.
Jeff Prill

[Adam Cotton]

Jeff,

Are you sure? The specimen at Thai Bugs
www.thaibugs.com/wp-content/gallery/catocalinae-3/Scrobigera%20%20albomarginata.jpg
looks like a species of Catocalinae, not Agaristinae.

How about this photo:
www.jpmoth.org/~dmoth/Digital_Moths_of_Asia/90_NOCTUOIDEA/05_NOCTUIDAE/08_AGARISTINAE/02_Scrobigera/Scrobigera%20albomarginata/Scrobigera%20albomarginata_960425210.jpg
which I think is much more likely to be correctly identified than a photo on "Thai Bugs" (with all due respect to John Moore).

Certainly one of these 2 moths is misidentified, but since I know relatively little about Noctuidae I would not like to categorically state which is the correct identification.

Adam.

[africaone]

Adam, may be male and female ?
probably the same genus but seems not the same species

I have seen a specimen like that in Frankfurt this WE ! may be the same ?

[Adam Cotton]

Well they seem quite different to me. Here are the pictures of S. albomarginata from Kononenko & Pinratana, 2005 (numbers 7-9, number 6 is another species, S. vulcania). Note particularly the obviously rounded forewing apex, which is clearly pointed in the moth on Thai Bugs. To me that looks more like a species of Lygniodes.

As I said before, I'm only going by the Thai moth book I have, and am by no means an expert on these, so I could be wrong.

Adam.

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[hewi]

I'm convinced Adam is not wrong. The specimen is definitely Scrobigera albomarginata, perhaps ssp. opheltes DRUCE, 1885. The specimen matches completely the original description of Druce.
It must be a female as HEMMING, Catalogue of the Lepidoptera Phalaenae in the British Museum, Volume III, p. 544 states that the female has the neck with a white ring (male: orange).

And yes, I have purchased it at the Frankfurt fair this weekend.

Manfred