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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2012 3:40:12 GMT -8
Genuine British mazarine blue cyaniris semiargus Cardiff Wales 1870's. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2012 9:13:25 GMT -8
you can but they are VERY expensive.
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Post by colin12303 on Oct 7, 2012 9:30:33 GMT -8
Lots of fakes about.
I have had a few over the years(let them all go)
Some people out there think they can tell them apart from the Dutch one's but i'm not so sure.
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Post by colin12303 on Oct 7, 2012 9:36:03 GMT -8
£20 for a real mazarine blue is really cheap.
The last one i was offered was at least 15 years ago,and not as good as yours,and the guy wanted £100 for it.
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Post by colin12303 on Oct 7, 2012 9:40:19 GMT -8
I am sure tests have been done and the results suggested they are the same butterfly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2012 13:02:36 GMT -8
You have to buy from reputable people to ensure that the specimen is genuine all mine including a pair of British black veined whites were bought from a member of the federation of the royal entomological society.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Oct 7, 2012 13:37:15 GMT -8
You have to buy from reputable people to ensure that the specimen is genuine all mine including a pair of British black veined whites were bought from a member of the federation of the royal entomological society. I guess you mean a Fellow of the Royal Entomological Society, which is what FRES stands for. The RES has two types of membership, 'member' and 'fellow'. If you are a fellow you are entitled to put FRES after your name. I have been a FRES for many years, and never heard of "a member of the federation of the royal entomological society". When I became a fellow it was much easier to join, nowadays almost all fellows have a doctorate, which I never got (I left the UK and moved to Thailand in 1981 when Maggie Thatcher cut the grants). I did find it rather embarrassing when I was at the RES in 2006 and the staff there insisted on calling me "Dr. Cotton" despite my telling them I do not have a PhD. Adam. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 4:51:45 GMT -8
sorry for the mishap, yes FRES, the point is though to ensure that the specimen is real only buy from trustworthy sources who can vouch for the authenticity of the bug, there are sadly a few con artists around who will sell you a "genuine" specimen from an old collection at an extortive price when it reality its a bred one from last year.
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Post by jensb on Oct 8, 2012 11:09:07 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 13:00:24 GMT -8
for dispar dispar, anything after 1870 is a fake.
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Post by saturniidave on Oct 8, 2012 15:57:25 GMT -8
Those are L. dispar, but they are ssp rutilus, very common on the continent.
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Post by thanos on Oct 8, 2012 20:06:20 GMT -8
Dave, here the ssp. rutila is both extremely local and rare and one of the most endangered Greek butterflies -very hard to find really !! (This is from my personal collecting experience here of many years of systematic collecting of our Rhopalocera, but you can read also Tom Tolman's book about this).
Thanos
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2012 0:18:39 GMT -8
from memory was there not a guy last year trying to sell "genuine" dispar dispar on here or ebay.
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Post by wollastoni on Oct 9, 2012 7:57:25 GMT -8
As Thanos said, dispar is also rare in France.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2012 11:22:42 GMT -8
there is a falsehood that the last British populations of cyaniris semiargus where from The Cardiff area around the time of my specimen, however 2 specimens exist from the outskirts of Epworth on the Doncaster/Lincolnshire border caught by Samuel Hudson and his brother which are dated 1910, through ignorance somebody on seeing the label Epworth scribbled Wales underneath, we know that we in this part of the UK are not considered that important in entomological circles but dont take away our mazarine blues.
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