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Post by lepidofrance on Oct 6, 2012 0:40:51 GMT -8
Same place in perspective Enjoy the collect next summer (two moments for Charaxes jasius : June and August). Attachments:
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Post by lepidofrance on Oct 6, 2012 0:59:32 GMT -8
About Aporia crataegi : "It is one of the species I ignore when in the field and searching for other more interesting to me species." (Thanos) Same for me ! This A. crataegi (photo below) was photographied last summer in France very close to the spanish border (just under the pass between the two countries : Val d'Eyne in french Catalunya). In France today, the butterfly is common especially in wet mountainous areas. It is also very localized: you can walk for hours without seeing one then get on a meadow (usually near a stream) when flying several dozen copies of this species. Attachments:
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Post by lepidofrance on Oct 6, 2012 1:05:59 GMT -8
Location for Aporia crataegi near the spanish border. Attachments:
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Post by lepidofrance on Oct 6, 2012 1:13:49 GMT -8
And Parnassius mnemosyne from the same location ! Note that end of July is very late for mnemosyne (June is much more better). Parnassius apollo pyrenaicus HARCOURT-BATH, 1896, was flying (quite abundant) at the same place (end of July). Attachments:
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Post by Christof on Oct 6, 2012 4:42:53 GMT -8
I found that Aporia crataegi and Parnassius mnemosyne are flying quite often in the same area or biotope. There are many areas in Europe where crataegi are abundant. Sometimes the mnemosyne are kind of hiding between the crataegi and at first one thinks there are only crataegi. But very often once you start looking around you can find some mnemosyne as well.
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Post by miguel on Oct 6, 2012 5:30:26 GMT -8
I have collected Apatura iris and Apatura ilia in Huesca in the last 2 years in the same location in July,with Limenitis camilla and Limenitis reducta.Parnassius mnemosyne only flies in the Pirineos,about Charaxes jasius is very common in Sierra de Cazorla(Jaen Andalusia) in August and here in Castellon I have seen flying since April till October(I have seen 1 specimen last week flying).Aporia crataegi is common in some places here in June.
Miguel
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 8:34:10 GMT -8
"Next season I can send to both of you some A. crataegi in A1 for free"
yes please.
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Post by pittendrighinsects on Oct 7, 2012 9:11:28 GMT -8
If ssp. graellsi has gone extinct, it must have been recently, since the last few summers in Spain have been especially dry and hot. This past summer we had a drought, so I would guess that this is probable. Then again, maybe it was a bad year for it and their numbers will be up next year (this is what I hope). I have never gone to Sierra de Gredos even though its quite near my grandparent's home, so I wouldn't know.
Quintin Pittendrigh bordacem on ebay
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Post by Borja Gómez on Oct 7, 2012 14:39:25 GMT -8
Hello Regarding the Aporia. It's very uncommon, at least in northwest Spain where I live (Galicia) where the predominance of the climate it's atlantic, and the typical biotope it's the atlantic deciduous forest ( Quercus sp, Salix sp., Betula sp. Populus sp., etc..) but if you go to the transition between atlantic and mediterranean climates areas of the northwest, unlike in the atlantic, you can find it more easily as there are more Crataegus ( nevertheless this bush species also occurs in atlantic climate), Prunus sp., etc... and of course you can find it in abundance in the typical mediterranean climate biotope in late spring and summer where most of the foodplants occur, specially with moderate altitude 200-700m. About Apatura, I never saw the iris in my zone. I think it doesn't fly here. The A.ilia it's also very very scarce and I've seen counted times, usually near rivers but never catch one. I also saw once clearly the A.ilia form clytie, but I wasn't with my net in that moment . The C.jasius it's also very very rare to see in northwest, due the lack of proper habitats (basically due to climate of course). But common in the rest of the iberian peninsula when correct habitat. Regards
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Post by pittendrighinsects on Oct 7, 2012 18:17:27 GMT -8
Regarding P. apollo being extinct in Sierra de Gredos, I find this unlikely because it is a very high mountain and even if the treeline does get higher, there would still be more habitat higher up. Probably, few people collect in Sierra de Gredos or have not been going to the right spots, this is why it has been rumored extinct.
Quintin Pittendrigh
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Post by thanos on Oct 7, 2012 18:31:57 GMT -8
Be careful with an idiot (and sadly still member of this forum) -he sent me the police for this butterfly (you can read about this in the trading reports, if you haven't done it already).
(I'm telling this because -Quintin- just few minutes ago I read a post of you -now deleted- in this thread about collecting P. apollo, and I liked to warn you about that person).
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Post by pittendrighinsects on Oct 7, 2012 20:19:22 GMT -8
who is this, and why would collecting P. apollo be illegal, its not the collector's fault that they are disappering (especially in Central Europe- the mountains are low and treeline is taking over their habitat)?
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Post by lepidofrance on Oct 8, 2012 2:54:52 GMT -8
"Be careful with an idiot (and sadly still member of this forum) -he sent me the police for this butterfly (you can read about this in the trading reports, if you haven't done it already)." If you want to collect P. apollo (protected in Western Europe), go to Tian Shan Range ! There you will meet P. apollo merzbacheri : huge size ! Attachments:
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Post by thanos on Oct 8, 2012 3:08:16 GMT -8
pittendrighinsects, you can read the thread 'be careful of Thomas Maertens from Belgium' for more details (almost all have read this, it has the most views than any other thread in the trading reports ). Jean-Marc, some specimens of graecus and rhodopensis are huge, too. Luckily, here exist many very strong populations, not threatened at all (especially from collecting !).
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Post by wollastoni on Oct 8, 2012 3:11:57 GMT -8
the ssp.? venaissimus of Luberon is also huge! Very impressive.
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