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Post by saturniidave on Dec 29, 2011 11:57:10 GMT -8
This guy is advertising a pair of Lycaena dispar 'English Large Coppers', he is starting a bid at 99p with a buy it now price of £79. cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260924018408If these are GENUINE dispar dispar, extinct since 1848 this is a steal but he says they are captive bred from English stock. This implies to me they are dispar batavus which anyone can breed or buy for £10 a pair. Is he losing out or trying to rip people off? |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 29, 2011 12:15:24 GMT -8
Well, if they are captive bred after 1848 they can't be ssp. dispar. Perhaps he doesn't know there is a difference, or maybe he thinks he can get more than a tenner by selling them on eBay.
Adam.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 12:49:46 GMT -8
How can I word this............................................, now this is only MY opinion, this guy advertises on the ELG and has a stall at Newark, his prices are.............unrealistic, there I can be diplomatic, so it goes against the grain to advertise GENUINE dispar dispar with a start price of 99p and a buy it now of 80 quid, I have had the pleasure of rearing quite a few dispar over the years and I am ALMOST certain that the female is ssp batavus, of course I could be wrong and it could all be genuine, but I don'T think I am
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Post by nomihoudai on Dec 29, 2011 12:53:08 GMT -8
I don't think he is trying to rip off people by trying to fool anyone, the guy we are talking about here is the owner of the lepidoptera breeders association... it is just a ridiculous high price for some specimen that are not that hard to obtain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 13:04:11 GMT -8
that'S right Claude, the LBA, check out the prices, let'S just say at insect fairs he is not exactly covered in sweat serving people.
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Post by nomihoudai on Dec 29, 2011 13:57:13 GMT -8
By my sentence "the guy we are talking about here is the owner of the lepidoptera breeders association" I was not intending to say that this guy would be known for high prices but I was pointing to the fact that this man should be well aware what is a Lycaena dispar batavius and what is a Lycaena dispar dispar. That he might not now the difference like Adam suggested can't be the case at all.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 29, 2011 14:10:19 GMT -8
Claude,
You're probably right, and I can't say I know who the seller is anyway, not being in the UK or in contact with the lepidoptera breeders association myself. I was just pointing out some possible explanations. So it looks like my last hypothesis could be the likely explanation.
Adam.
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Post by nostrodamus on Dec 29, 2011 22:51:42 GMT -8
Wow, 25 pounds for an Erebia epiphron  The most common Erebia species in the Alps !!!!! |
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Post by thanos on Dec 30, 2011 7:14:13 GMT -8
Yes, but here in Greece,for example, Erebia epiphron roosi occurs only on one mountain,where it is extremely local and rare really,and one of the hardest to find of all Greek butterflies. If the specimen offered by this seller was from here, it would worth much more than 25 pounds,according to its rarity and difficulty to find  . Now the specimen offered by this seller,is from the Austrian(according to his description) Alps,yes, -and so is the ssp.aetheria- ,common ssp. there,yes,as far as I know. Thanos PS: Lycaena dispar rutila is,too,very rare and hard to find here. |
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Post by nostrodamus on Dec 30, 2011 7:26:49 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 7:58:28 GMT -8
the problem we have in the UK is that species which are very rare or extinct over here where their European counterparts are identical to ours, eg nymphalis polychloris, Aporia crataegi,pontia daplidice, lampides boeticus etc, etc, are passed off as Genuine British specimens with false labels and sold for high prices, genuine extinct stuff such as dispar dispar extinct for 170 years, crataegi since 1920 ish and genuine British maculinea arion extinct since 1979 fetch silly prices now.
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Post by thanos on Dec 30, 2011 8:53:59 GMT -8
'And also this: For France a new species !!! hmmmm....' - David, lol  . It's better to stop watching such kind of ebay listings,cause they will make me probably to forget what I know on the EU Rhopalocera . The Europan N.xanthomelas (the species occurs also in Japan) is a rare butterfly. N.polychloros is common to very common almost everywhere it occurs in Europe,except England where is rare. In Greece,xanthomelas is VERY rare,and is migrating species. Its colonies are temporary.It occurs only on 2 mountains and a lake in the north. On the 2 mountains it's extremely rare (I've collected/seen only 1 male on each mountain,during many years of collecting) and at that lake,the temporary populations are strictly result of migration : about 10 years ago I collected there quite many specimens but only during 2 seasons,and in the next 10 years till now I'm not able to see even a single specimen there . Let's see when they will decide again to migrate here,so to collect them again . In contrast,N.polychloros is very common and widespread here. Thanos |
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Post by saturniidave on Dec 30, 2011 9:30:39 GMT -8
I sold a genuine English pair of L. dispar dispar for £500 a couple of years ago and they were not very good ones, so as Dunc says £80 is a steal. This guy looks to be advertising L. dispar batavus as L. dispar dispar, he even quotes Haworth as the author and he is the author of dispar nominate, the English ones.
I have frequently seen specimens on Ebay advertised as 'English' then when you read the blurb it says something like 'Bred in England from a French female' or similar, implying that just because it was bred in England it is genuine English.
As owner of the LBA this guy should know the difference between dispar and batavus and also their relative values. His advert definitely looks purposely misleading to me.
Oh, and as Dunc rightly points out his prices are outrageous.
I have contacted him via Ebay and asked about the specimens but so far I have received no answer.
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Post by nomihoudai on Dec 30, 2011 9:48:43 GMT -8
He wrote Lycaena dispar, I am sorry but Haworth is the describor of the species??
He advertises Thecla betulae pair for £60 and Papilio machaon gorganus for £15, asking £80 for Lycaena dispar is only the next step. His prices are silly and I would never buy a specimen for such prices but you can't accuse him of being a cheater.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 9:56:00 GMT -8
I wouldn't. Hold your breath for a reply, I think we have a case here of more in it for the money than the love, I wanted a polystyrene setting board from him at a. Fair 2 years ago to accommodate British moth bodies, he said that they were not for sale but he could post one on to me at 6 pounds postage!!! For a polystyrene setting board. You have to go to fairs to see the prices he charges for very ordinary stuff, its ridiculous and his livestock prices are the same on the ELG, its twice as much at least as the rest of the lads charge and then the postage.............................oh dear.
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