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Post by panzerman on Jan 15, 2011 7:38:11 GMT -8
showing all ssp. ;)John Attachments:
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Post by panzerman on Jan 15, 2011 14:58:43 GMT -8
represented are krishna ssp.
k. krishna M+F
k. thawgawa M
k. charlesi M+F
k. manipuri M+F
k. nu M
k. orientis M
k. kitawakii M
k. mayiamae M
John
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Post by crino on Feb 21, 2011 6:18:34 GMT -8
Fantastic!  Where are the ssp. orientis and kitawakii from? |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 21, 2011 6:40:00 GMT -8
Note the Vietnam ssp. is spelt mayumiae. As for kitawakii Shimogori & Fujioka, 1997 (type locality: 23km N. of Zayu, East Thibet), that is a ssp. of maackii (syfanius group) not krishna at all.
P. krishna nu is no different from thawgawa, it occurs on the Yunnan side of the same mountains! As for 'orientis', it was described by Schaeffler in 2004, but this name is a junior homonym of Papilio machaon orientis (unless you regard Achillides as a genus - which it is NOT). In any case, it's just a synonym of charlesi. Schaeffler's "East Sichuan" is nothing more than the eastern end of West Sichuan, not the eastern side of the Red Bowl.
Here's a synonymy of Papilio krishna (type locality in () ):
krishna Moore, 1857 (Bhutan, Darjeeling)
manipuri Tytler, 1939 (Kabru, Manipur)
thawgawa Tytler, 1939 (Hthawgaw, N. E. Burma)
= nu Yoshino, 1995 (Gaolingong Mts., midwast Yunnan prov., China)
charlesi Fruhstorfer, 1902 (Siao-Lou, Szetchuan)
= orientis (Schäffler, 2004) (West of Leshan, ‘Red Basin’, East Sichuan, China) (Secondary JH)
mayumiae Mitsuta & Shinkai, 2002 (Mt.Fan Shi Pan, alt. 2,500-3,000m, Sapa District, Lao Cai Province, N. Vietnam)
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Post by crino on Feb 21, 2011 8:12:12 GMT -8
thanks Adam, this works in quite well with the informations I have regarding P. krishna ssps.
I wonder which specimen on the drawer has been identified as a P. krishna kitawakii M...
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Post by simosg on Mar 6, 2011 10:30:30 GMT -8
Adam, what about ganesa, you don't have it in your synonymy?
Hannes
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Post by norton on Mar 6, 2011 11:57:41 GMT -8
very nice as always from John.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 6, 2011 12:47:06 GMT -8
Hannes,
P. ganesa is a ssp of P. bianor, not krishna. Note that true ganesa comes from the Himalayan foothills (north of the Brahmaputra river), not Meghalaya. The bianor from there is just the western end of the cline that is P. bianor gladiator. P. b. ganesa looks much more like P. paris, with a large turquoise hw patch. Almost all specimens for sale as ganesa are actually gladiator, but occasional older specimens can be found on sale from Nepal.
Adam.
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Post by simosg on Mar 7, 2011 8:05:52 GMT -8
P. ganesa is a ssp of P. bianor, not krishna. Yes, of course, sorry. Hannes |
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