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Post by teinopalpus on Jun 12, 2011 4:46:06 GMT -8
Dear friends, I have oportunity to buy this hard to get species from my friend in China. But we both do not know realistic price. I want to ask you for your opinion or experience with price of this species. I obtian many interesting butterflies from him in past and I do not want to put price as low as possible, but also do not want to pay crazy money. He told me he has "many" of them. I do not know what is "many", but I already saw 5 male specimen of very good quality. Please share your experiences, Jan Attachments:
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Post by sloanus on Jun 12, 2011 10:53:43 GMT -8
Do you have a contact email address for this supplier? I'd like to get in touch with him as well. Many thanks in advance.
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Post by jaume on Jun 12, 2011 13:46:41 GMT -8
I want one too !! maybe if we are various collectors interested, we could buy the specimens for a reasonable price.
JAUME
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2011 1:20:59 GMT -8
dont forget me.
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Post by wollastoni on Jun 13, 2011 1:47:56 GMT -8
Jan < I think most Papilionidae collectors in the world would "kill" for this lep... so there is no normal price!
Just be quick and buy all of them... don't worry you will be able to resell them easily...
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Post by thanos on Jun 13, 2011 9:11:33 GMT -8
It is so similar to podalirius,that,although I miss it from my collection,I could never give big amount of money to get it.
Thanos
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Post by aureusbutterflies on Jun 14, 2011 3:08:09 GMT -8
I don´t want to be too enthusiastic, but... it is really a "crown of a Papilio-collection"  Here is a picture of "one crown" of my collection... ;D JENS Attachments:
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Post by wollastoni on Jun 15, 2011 3:04:07 GMT -8
Jens, your podalirinus is fantastic !
A mythical species !
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 15, 2011 11:27:09 GMT -8
Nothing mythical about it really. The reason it is so rare in collections/rarely offered for sale is that it flies in dry habitat where there are relatively few butterflies, so not a place where commercial collectors tend to go, and is restricted to a small area of western China, which was totally inaccessible for many years. Byasa daemonius flies in the same habitat with podalirinus in May, so 2 'rare' species in the same place at the same time.
In reality both are quite common in season and in the right place. My specimens come from a few km south of Batang town, and cost me $50 each, so I find the idea of offering huge sums to local dealers absolutely ludicrous. That's one reason why many 'rare' butterflies cost so much nowadays, because people are prepared to offer a fortune (in local terms) directly to local dealers. This pushes the price sky high for no valid reason.
Adam.
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Post by robert61 on Jun 16, 2011 6:26:06 GMT -8
I used to collect I.podalirinus years ago in Eastern Tibet together with the rar Polyura posidonius.Actually the places around are dry as Adam says, but the valleys I found them had always a water stream and the males came to the sand to drink water.I have seen up to 10(ofcourse I could not catch more then 2-3 per day ) a day ,but most flying between the fields with many flowering bushes looking like lilac(Syringa) with pink flowers.I never could stay even a week in this places because the chinese police always made trouble to tourists, even that we had permits to stay there  . These dry places had many very interesting Satyridae species, some ssp new to science and in one of these very dry valleys you could see hundrets of butterflies flying(many species)In some years 1-2 Aporia species occured by thousands and thousands. In N-Yunnan I got a place for them from italian friends,but in the first week of june I couldnt see one I.podalirinus(maybe a late year) and got the first Polyura posidonius, so these 2 species seem to like always the same places. Robert |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 17, 2011 10:18:28 GMT -8
Robert,
You are correct that the butterflies congregate in stream beds, the same happens here in Chiang Mai during the dry season. Here it's not worth looking for butterflies away from water at that time of year, as everywhere is bone dry except in the vicinity of streams.
Did you ever see podalirinus in the upper Mekong valley, as opposed to the Yangtze valley where I know it occurs? The specimens on offer apparently come from the Qamdo area, 3-5 May, and the data seems a bit odd to me.
Adam.
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Post by robert61 on Jun 17, 2011 13:32:24 GMT -8
Adam
I have been in N-Yunnan searching for them in Nujiang Valley and couldnt find them,maybe the altitude was to low till the places I could visit, I had to go back because it was not possible to pass by jeep the broken roads.The river in this valley leads to Tibet near the small town of Paksho , I found my first podalirius ever there,but this place is dry like a dessert(more then Qamdo) and I never could see more then 1-3 piece in a day.The collecting date beginning of may you got for Qamdo is almost impossible.I collectéd the first one arround 28 may near Qamdo and that was the only one till beginning of june.
My italian friends found 1 around 60 km(am not sure anymore about how far) north of Zhongdian(N-Yunnan) on the mainroad leading to Tibet.They should be there along all river streams leading to Tibet at about 3000m(the same for Qamdo in Tibet)
I went also many km the Yangtze River down and couldnt find it,but it has to be there .It was the first june week and to early ......maybe only few days and I had to return due to health problems with the altitude after not sleeping over 5 nights.
Robert
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Post by lordpandarus on Jun 17, 2011 18:38:27 GMT -8
I bet once they find a reliable place to collect them , they will be all over ebay like Teinopalpus, Buthanitis and other "formely rare" Chinese species (like Pathysa sp.), sold directly by people who live there, so it's not something I would spend a fortune on right now
But it is a cool looking butterfly, and much more beautiful than I. podalirius
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Post by paradesia on Jul 24, 2011 0:34:52 GMT -8
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Post by lordpandarus on Jul 25, 2011 20:28:41 GMT -8
no bids yet?
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