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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 5, 2021 9:59:55 GMT -8
Przewalskii and baileyi listed as separate Parnassius species is really prehistoric classification Unfortunately I was unable to persuade Nakae-san about these and a few other Parnassius issues. Adam.
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Post by eurytides on Nov 5, 2021 16:27:28 GMT -8
Those are some major name changes!
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Post by exoticimports on Nov 5, 2021 17:09:49 GMT -8
Does it cover, and picture, the many subspecies?
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 5, 2021 18:41:28 GMT -8
I have a feeling the author tried to recognize "primary" species of papilionids. Heck, it's probably a work which took him 5 years or more to produce !
I also think delving into subspecies and qualifying or quantifying them would have been an immense nightmare.
Better to produce something of quality and due respect than a work which critics will endlessly pick at or complain about.
Species level is really sufficient enough for the needs of the many; over the needs of the few or the one.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 6, 2021 0:49:00 GMT -8
Does it cover, and picture, the many subspecies? Generally not, but it does picture subspecies of some species. It would not really be practical to picture many subspecies in a single book. Adam.
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Post by nomihoudai on Nov 8, 2021 14:37:18 GMT -8
Thank you very much for posting this. I just preordered and am looking forward to the book. It would be interesting to know how long the author worked on this, if you know by any chance Adam.
I practice Japanese since quite some time, I can read very basic texts. Unfortunately, it's not a simple language to learn.
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Post by benihikage92 on Nov 9, 2021 9:36:50 GMT -8
Thank you very much for posting this. I just preordered and am looking forward to the book. It would be interesting to know how long the author worked on this, if you know by any chance Adam. I practice Japanese since quite some time, I can read very basic texts. Unfortunately, it's not a simple language to learn. According to Nakae, the project started 20 years ago!
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Post by radusho on Nov 10, 2021 4:34:41 GMT -8
Thank you very much for posting this. I just preordered and am looking forward to the book. It would be interesting to know how long the author worked on this, if you know by any chance Adam. I practice Japanese since quite some time, I can read very basic texts. Unfortunately, it's not a simple language to learn. According to Nakae, the project started 20 years ago! Well it seems he did not updated some taxonomy conclusions since
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Post by hewi on Nov 10, 2021 5:36:30 GMT -8
But , he has, at least his own taxonomic revisions. (see: Gekkan-Mushi, No. 602, April 2021, pp. 35-39
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 10, 2021 6:05:51 GMT -8
Well it seems he did not updated some taxonomy conclusions since I don't think that is really the case. Nakae-san was happy to embrace modern classification, and I corrected some old ideas that he did not know about. I assume you are particularly referring to the treatment of Parnassius, which is the one group that I was not happy about. Nishiyama-san insisted he followed Japanese Parnassius 'experts' and would not accept modern classifications. Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 10, 2021 6:11:42 GMT -8
But , he has, at least his own taxonomic revisions. (see: Gekkan-Mushi, No. 602, April 2021, pp. 35-39 This paper is in both Japanese and English. Here is the abstract: Based upon long time field investigation experience mainly in tropical countries and scientific study, five taxa previously placed as subspecies of different species in family Papilionidae are here elevated to species. Byasa mukoyamai Nakae, 2015 from B. hedistus (Jordan, 1928); Byasa ravana (Moore, [1858]) from B. dasarada (Moore, [1858]); Papilio arjuna Horsfield, 1828 and P. tamilana Moore, 1881 from P. paris Linnaeus, 1758; and Papilio echidna Boisduval, 1836 from P. clytia Linnaeus, 1758. If anyone wants a copy I can e-mail it. Adam.
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Post by benihikage92 on Nov 10, 2021 6:20:31 GMT -8
According to Nakae, the project started 20 years ago! Well it seems he did not updated some taxonomy conclusions since Nakae is not a Parnassius specialist. Inaoka is among the people who advised him on the content of the book. So it might be Inaoka's opinion. I'll ask them if I see them at Tokyo Insect fair on November 23rd.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 10, 2021 11:29:28 GMT -8
Yes, Nakae-san told me that he had to follow Inaoka-san's opinion about Parnassius classification.
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