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Post by exoticimports on May 24, 2021 15:14:18 GMT -8
Did bandrow just admit he nets Leps?
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Post by bandrow on May 24, 2021 16:37:34 GMT -8
Did bandrow just admit he nets Leps? Yep - I dabble on the "dark side" now and then! I'll bet I've field-pinned close to 50,000 leps in the last 25 years - even spread a few dozen of them!! Ciao! Bandrow
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Post by trehopr1 on May 24, 2021 23:06:34 GMT -8
I actually only manage to personally collect + spread about 50 specimens in any given summer (June thru September). I am very selective of my quarry as I prefer to "fresh-pin" my captures immediately.
There is a LOT that I don't bother with.
However, I do additionally add between 50-75 specimens per year from trades with fellow collectors, purchases from old collections, and some ebay purchases as well.
Unlike others, I do not bait trap, pitfall trap, or light trap anything. Nor do I breed anything !
I do get out whenever possible but, I am reliant on simply what mother nature and a "little luck" provides. I do put out a lighted sheet on (humid) nights just to see what it draws but, I tend to really only keep the larger or more attractive items.
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Post by africaone on May 24, 2021 23:33:40 GMT -8
strange methodology to évaluate the numbers pins used. This kind of vote will not help if you aim is really to estimate. You don't ask country, the fact of being amateur or proffesional (can you imagine that in musuem it is dozen or hundreds of thousands pins used). The guy that pins more than 10 000 will probably not answer and his weight is higher than all the categories you created put together. A complete nonsense. Add that this kind of numbers (scientifically not valid) can be used by politics or malicious persons to attacks our guild. Add also that numbers given by each member can used against them (and use to collect personal datas)
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Post by wollastoni on May 25, 2021 2:22:03 GMT -8
I agree that this topic is a perfect tool for anti-collecting groups. It was interesting but I will delete it soon. Better safe than sorry
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Post by wingedwishes on May 25, 2021 4:50:02 GMT -8
When an eco ignoramus asked me about 'murdering' I responded with conservation of forest through sustainable harvesting/farming. That person then said it would be better for the forest to be cut down than anyone murder a butterfly. Can't have logical discussions with some who live by emotions.
Africaone gave a short exposition on some of the nuances that would be hard to encompass in a simple poll. I would have worded it differently. The business metrics and answers may not have the same perceived value. Fortunately, the comment section is open to provide more data and members are helping.
I do not know the number I will collect this year in Belize. Any number is a guess. I'll message you when I return so that it is not misconstrued.
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Post by jhyatt on May 25, 2021 5:01:53 GMT -8
Greetings, I guess I better 'fess up - I clicked on the '5,000 to 10,000', as I average somewhere in the 8,000 specimens/year range. This is a cumulative number from a variety of sources. The largest chunk involves bycatch from the Lindgren trap samples I screen through our bark beetle contract work - a diverse mix of Coleoptera, and a huge number of pointed scolytines. Additional preps consist of field-pinned Lepidoptera from my personal collecting that are deposited into the Carnegie Museum collections. Then I prepare a fair number of Cerambycidae and Scarabaeoidea for my personal interests each year. Finally, I've been preparing around 2,000 specimens per year of beetles from light trap residues for an ongoing effort to create a species-list of Coleoptera from Sapelo Island, Georgia. This is made possible thanks to the efforts and generosity of two lepidopterists in particular, John Hyatt and James Adams. The combination of work-related preparation, project-related prep and prep of personal stuff really adds up. The vast majority of the prepared specimens end up in the CMNH, but since I'm not technically paid to be a 'Scientific Preparator', I'll consider the prep I do as "personal" effort! Especially since it all happens in my dining room-turned-lab thanks to the pandemic! Cheers! Bandrow Bob, James Adams will be sending you the beetles from moth sampling on Sapelo Island done last week by James, Lance Durden, and me. We hope to go there again in early fall, September if we can find a storm-free date. Regards, JH
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Post by exoticimports on May 25, 2021 5:58:43 GMT -8
It is noteworthy that a few respondents are employed in entomology, and are paid to collect and study insects. Their employers include museums and global, well known environmental groups.
I personally know zero entomologist, either professional or amateur, who catch, dispatch and set specimens for the sake of amassing a collection of stuff. This isn’t like collecting dolls or refrigerator magnets. The field activities are fraught with discomfort and risk, for the sake of science.
It’s been said before, but bears repeating: photos are insufficient for scientific study. If someone would like to disagree, put your money where your mouth is and pay me $10 for each misidentified photo I expose from inaturalist. Be prepared to go broke.
The measure of annual specimen count is a measure of time, dedication, and scientific advancement. Those who cannot see this aren’t worth talking to.
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Post by thejsonboss on May 25, 2021 6:24:46 GMT -8
It is noteworthy that a few respondents are employed in entomology, and are paid to collect and study insects. Their employers include museums and global, well known environmental groups Man what a dream job. I would volunteer for this part time even if travel expenses and etc were paid
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Post by tv on May 25, 2021 14:15:48 GMT -8
I had written up a whole response about how there was nothing scientific about this poll (as a scientist I know that 28 self-selecting respondents out of 3800+ users is laughable), but I deleted it. I deleted it because it was a tangent to the real issues that are damaging this board. I don't really know any entomologists (or enthusiasts) personally, so I was genuinely interested in hearing about how others collect. As I wrote the first response, I was mad because here was something that seemed to be interesting to many other people as well, but as with most things on this board it took a negative turn.
As I write this, I'm just depressed. Somehow this poll/topic is being equated to the total trash discussions that the moderators are forced to delete regularly (or leave up) because people can't be civil to each other, or separate their insect discussions from their politics. It's just really tiring to see the same behavior over and over again.
If you get a chance to read this before the thread is deleted. Thank you to all the folks that shared
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 14:59:15 GMT -8
Don’t delete this thread. It’s abt us......not the idiots who kill tons of insects w their cars, swat at bees and flies, squish spiders, and spray their lawns w chemicals for greener weed free lots. We mustn’t be afraid of the opposition as that’s what they count on. If an opponent posts, then fine......it’s a free discussion. When I answered the poll, I actually realized that my numbers are headed down....prob w age. But, I have preserved many insects that would have otherwise faded into oblivion. If they can’t see habitat destruction as THE most harmful effect, then arguing/discussing this w them is a waste. After all, this is an insect collector’s forum. If they have a problem, then they can go elsewhere.....say politics, conspiracy, or whatever.
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Post by bandrow on May 25, 2021 15:36:43 GMT -8
Bob, James Adams will be sending you the beetles from moth sampling on Sapelo Island done last week by James, Lance Durden, and me. We hope to go there again in early fall, September if we can find a storm-free date. Regards, JH Hi John, Sounds great! I'll keep an eye open for the box and get to pinning things once it arrives. I think I'll refrain from counting anything, though Cheers! Bandrow
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Post by exoticimports on May 25, 2021 16:51:25 GMT -8
Oh did he mean to include Coleoptera? I was thinking leps. Beetles don’t count since you can just stick a pin through them. :-)
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Post by bandrow on May 25, 2021 17:58:53 GMT -8
Oh did he mean to include Coleoptera? I was thinking leps. Beetles don’t count since you can just stick a pin through them. :-) Especially little buprestids - just 'grab and stab' and they look great!! Ciao! Bandrow
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Post by kevinkk on May 25, 2021 18:39:12 GMT -8
Don’t delete this thread. It’s abt us......not the idiots who kill tons of insects w their cars, swat at bees and flies, squish spiders, and spray their lawns w chemicals for greener weed free lots. We mustn’t be afraid of the opposition as that’s what they count on. If an opponent posts, then fine......it’s a free discussion. When I answered the poll, I actually realized that my numbers are headed down....prob w age. But, I have preserved many insects that would have otherwise faded into oblivion. If they can’t see habitat destruction as THE most harmful effect, then arguing/discussing this w them is a waste. After all, this is an insect collector’s forum. If they have a problem, then they can go elsewhere.....say politics, conspiracy, or whatever. so nice it needed said twice.
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