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Post by nomihoudai on May 29, 2020 16:44:16 GMT -8
Hello Cherie, I have found your pictures on FB and am posting them here at your request. Unfortunately, it is not a gynandromorph. Somebody might have given you that information over the phone according to your description without seeing the butterfly. Yes, the left side is paler, but the pattern is not that of a female. The butterfly just has changed color, probably from sun exposure. It is something that happens frequently to old collections. In any case, you have a very nice collection of Australian butterflies and yes the species currently seems to be rare in Australia and ecologists try to locate populations.
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Post by Paul K on May 29, 2020 17:29:54 GMT -8
I agree it is nice collection you have there and even if it doesn’t have high monetary value I’m sure it has some story attached to it beside it’s scientific value. Just follow some rules to preserved well for the future generation. You may find many useful tips here how to maintain insect collection.
Good luck Paul
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Post by cheriekotek on May 29, 2020 17:53:18 GMT -8
I agree it is nice collection you have there and even if it doesn’t have high monetary value I’m sure it has some story attached to it beside it’s scientific value. Just follow some rules to preserved well for the future generation. You may find many useful tips here how to maintain insect collection. Good luck Paul Appreciate your response although none of the other butterflies in this collection have “sun fade” and I have been contacted by Afew experts to tel me this is indeed a Gynandromorph, the one we have is from 1972 most of the collection is from the 70’s. Ofcourse someone would need to see it in person but I have posted other pics to people, not just this pic and so far all have said the same thing, you are the first suggest otherwise 😭
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Post by Paul K on May 29, 2020 19:19:57 GMT -8
I agree it is nice collection you have there and even if it doesn’t have high monetary value I’m sure it has some story attached to it beside it’s scientific value. Just follow some rules to preserved well for the future generation. You may find many useful tips here how to maintain insect collection. Good luck Paul Appreciate your response although none of the other butterflies in this collection have “sun fade” and I have been contacted by Afew experts to tel me this is indeed a Gynandromorph, the one we have is from 1972 most of the collection is from the 70’s. Ofcourse someone would need to see it in person but I have posted other pics to people, not just this pic and so far all have said the same thing, you are the first suggest otherwise 😭 I’m sorry to disappoint you but your specimen is not gynandromorph. It is male and who ever said it is gynandromorph was wrong and he/she is not expert.
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Post by cheriekotek on May 29, 2020 20:41:49 GMT -8
Appreciate your response although none of the other butterflies in this collection have “sun fade” and I have been contacted by Afew experts to tel me this is indeed a Gynandromorph, the one we have is from 1972 most of the collection is from the 70’s. Ofcourse someone would need to see it in person but I have posted other pics to people, not just this pic and so far all have said the same thing, you are the first suggest otherwise 😭 I’m sorry to disappoint you but your specimen is not gynandromorph. It is male and who ever said it is gynandromorph was wrong and he/she is not expert. I will keep you posted once an expert comes to see it in person, like I said I have had a few “experts” claim it is a Gynandromorph and I’m holding onto hope, especially since this is a rare potentially extinct Australian specimen 👍
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Post by benihikage92 on May 30, 2020 0:24:22 GMT -8
I’m sorry to disappoint you but your specimen is not gynandromorph. It is male and who ever said it is gynandromorph was wrong and he/she is not expert. I will keep you posted once an expert comes to see it in person, like I said I have had a few “experts” claim it is a Gynandromorph and I’m holding onto hope, especially since this is a rare potentially extinct Australian specimen 👍 I also don’t think that this is a bilateral gynandromorph. It might have been caused by hampered development of scales probably due to exposure to cold temperature on the left side during its pupal stage, rather than by sun fade. Having said this, inconstans , Australian subspecies of Argynnis hyperbius is indeed very rare. I don’t know the current status of this butterfly, but it was already very rare when I lived in Australia back in the mid ‘80s. So it’s a very valuable specimen.
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Post by yorky on May 30, 2020 2:30:53 GMT -8
With respect I don't know which expert was advising you but for sure it's not a gynandromorph.
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Post by bichos on May 30, 2020 5:42:43 GMT -8
Just so happens I'm an expert and can inspect it. Once permission is granted, ofcourse. As i am currently in Canberra, i will get in touch with the proud owner and clarify for all.
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Post by nomihoudai on May 30, 2020 12:26:35 GMT -8
I created an image of how a gynandromorph of that particular subspecies would look like with left side female and right side male, you can judge for yourself. I am probably wrong on the sun-fading, I agree with benihikage92 that is is altered scales by temperature. They turn much lighter in color when that happens.
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Post by cheriekotek on May 30, 2020 14:20:53 GMT -8
I created an image of how a gynandromorph of that particular subspecies would look like with left side female and right side male, you can judge for yourself. I am probably wrong on the sun-fading, I agree with benihikage92 that is is altered scales by temperature. They turn much lighter in color when that happens. Please get in contact, would love to solve the mystery 👍 I’ve provided my details in previous post
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Post by nomihoudai on May 30, 2020 15:08:18 GMT -8
Please get in contact, would love to solve the mystery 👍 I’ve provided my details in previous post My mom doesn't allow me to call women on the internet.
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Post by cheriekotek on May 30, 2020 15:58:41 GMT -8
Please get in contact, would love to solve the mystery 👍 I’ve provided my details in previous post My mom doesn't allow me to call women on the internet. You should listen to your mother then 👍
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Post by cheriekotek on May 30, 2020 23:05:40 GMT -8
Looks like it’s not a Gynandromorph after all, still a special collection and have absolutely loved everything I’ve learnt and still want to learn, thanks for all the messages and interest 👍
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