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[achillides]

You are killing me! 😃😃😃
I just agree with everything ...

Only one! Leroy, you're not a member. YOU ARE insectnet! 👍🏻😆

[kevinkk]

I enjoy reading Leptraps posts, it's from a different thread, but I have to ask what is a "compactor" and how is it used for an insect purpose,

other than what I am picturing...

On this other topic, we all have opinions that may or may not be popular, and making generalizations about someone isn't what anyone wants to

hear, I have a lot of pet peeves about people, and could easily make generalizations based on just a few written lines.

But those are personal opinions and not exactly scientific, are they?

[Adam Cotton]

A compactor is a trolley system which reduces space in museum collections. Each row of cabinets is basically sitting on a wheeled base and everything can be moved together instead of having walkways between the rows. When someone needs to see specimens in a particular row all the rows of cabinets on one side are moved back to make a walkway between the cabinets containing the drawers the researcher wants to see.

At a guess a compactor system can save at least one third of the floor space, allowing many more rows of cabinets to be added to the collection.

Adam.

[achillides]

If it now turns now into an *ask Adam thread*. HAPPY END! 👍🏻😃

I have one! May someone can help easily.

Is it me allowed to send pupae to Canada? To private person, without import permit, like in Europe. Or it's law like in US?

[Paul K]

May 7, 2020 12:13:51 GMT -8 achillides said:

If it now turns now into an *ask Adam thread*. HAPPY END! 👍🏻😃

I have one! May someone can help easily.

Is it me allowed to send pupae to Canada? To private person, without import permit, like in Europe. Or it's law like in US?

For live insects permit is required and very hard to get.
Dry dead insects don’t need any permit to import to Canada, unless it is CITES species. In this case export permit from country of origin must accompanied with specimen.

Hope this help
Paul

[leptraps]

The design and manufacturing of Compactors began in 1983. The Interior Steel Equipment Company of Cleveland, Ohio, at a "request for Quote" from The Carnegie Museum of Pissbugh, PA. (I am a life long Cleveland fan) The "Compactor" concept came from a person who was not an engineer. He was actually a draftsman. Then I became the guy who took the engineering drawings and produced a compactor. Once I had it four sections together, we made a series of adjustments. I was not a fan of the open faced drawer racks.

Once fabricated, painted and delivered.I held my breath. I was in and out of the Carnegie Museum several times a week. When the USNM drawers were loaded into the compactor, it would not seal tightly. The trucks would not align when loaded. I shimmed and added untold number of spacers as well as 80+ trips from Cleveland to Pissburgh. The museum finally signed off. I left ISEC and took a job in Florida. I have never been back to the Carnegie Museum for a visit.

Did the Holland Collection ever get put into the Compactor. And if it did, what happened to the Holland cabinets with the glass doors?

[kevinkk]

Thank you Adam and Leptraps, for your explaination  of the compactor. I did do a google search for "museum compactor"

and saw some amazing pictures.

I'm assuming it is more of a research and acquisition tool, rather than something for public display.

For Achillides, permits are required for livestock, even between states here in the USA, many people ignore those

requirements and in the case of state to state, simply ship livestock as you might ship anything else. What is allowed,

are species native to the respective state, if I've read my rules properly.

I'm not going to admit to, or endorse circumventing any regulations, but theoretically, if I wanted to ship  livestock

to  the UK, or Canada, I would simply list the contents as something innocuous and with little value.

Being here in the USA, we miss out on a lot of tropical  butterfly livestock because of the permit requirements.

[achillides]

I know the American law. Years ago I asked the US Wildlife Service for. As Kevin posted, private exchange not possible.

The problem here is more about the handling of the law. In the USA you need a gerneral import permit for alive invertebrate. No matter if Cites or not. Cites you need both. May export if unprotected is no problem.

This does not apply in Europe, UK. It depends case to case. There is no basic import permit. The import of alive invertebrate is also not prohibited for private generally. You only need paper for cites animals. I imported pupae and cocoons, with and without cites. Had no problems. 55 Euro veterinary fee. And cites pupae 28 Euro (quantity doesn't matter) for import cites each main species. You have to order import cites in advance with the export cites of the country.
Sorry for my bad English. May sounds more complicated as it finally is.

So quick and dirty.
Thanks Paul, so Canada is same law like USA

[achillides]

Does anyone know the current annual fee for import permit live insects in USA or Canada, non commercial use.
May it's not so bad and less spectacular...

I clicked through the whole page fws.gov. And finally it shows me an email address. Great! 💩🙈😅