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Post by bugboys3 on Aug 25, 2020 12:29:19 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2020 13:29:59 GMT -8
It’s unijuga. I’ve been seeing dozens of this species this year including two of form ‘agatha’.
My year w Sphingids has been pretty good and I’m likely not to add any more for this year. 27 Sp. will have to do.
P. modesta, M. sexta, C. amyntor, H. lineata, E. pandorus, E. achemon, M. jasminearum, C. hageni, S. kalmiae, C. undulosa, D. hyloeus, P. plebja, L. bombycoides, C. catalpa, L.. coniferarum, P. myops, P. exaecatus, S. jamaicensis, L. juglandis, P. astylus, D. versicolor, S. abbottii, X. tersa, D. myron, D. pholus, D. inscripta, M. rustica
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Post by rayrard on Aug 25, 2020 13:30:18 GMT -8
it's a melanic unijuga
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2020 13:35:06 GMT -8
With all due respect, I do not think it’s a melanic unijuga. The melanic form is form agatha. I’ll take a pic of one shortly and post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2020 13:44:44 GMT -8
The bottom four are ‘agathas’ Closeup of melanic ‘agatha’.
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Post by bugboys3 on Aug 25, 2020 19:53:03 GMT -8
Thanks for the confirmation Bill.
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Post by mothman27 on Aug 26, 2020 12:37:43 GMT -8
Got a Catocala habilis today at the sheet. I've always thought habilis and palaeogama were difficult to distinguish until I collected my first actual palaeogama when I realized I was actually having more difficulty separating C. habilis and C. serena.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 13:25:14 GMT -8
Tim, this might help. Honestly, I have to think harder w habilis and paleogama than habilis vs serene. serene 1. Rather solid white outer vertical line at teeth serene 2. No dash on lower FW edge *** habilis 3. Often has basal dash, but not always habilis 4 all have dash along lower FW edge *** serene 5. No basal dash serene appears to have no noticeable subreniform spot
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Post by mothman27 on Aug 27, 2020 3:31:43 GMT -8
Well this is interesting. I will post photos later because I am clearly confused. I would have said the lower 2 "habilis" in your photo are palaeogama. The specimens I have which I think are habilis are not as large as palaeogama and the forewings are a little lighter than those of serena, much like the top specimen of your "habilis." To me that specimen looks distinct from the two below it in size and pattern/color. I do agree that your serena look like mine. Anyway, I will post photos a little later and see if that helps. Thanks for the comments and photo Bill.
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Post by mothman27 on Aug 27, 2020 5:44:53 GMT -8
Serena, habilis and palaeogama(I think)Closeup of my "habilis"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 10:53:49 GMT -8
My bad........yes, the bottom right one is paleogama. I must have gotten it out for comparison of the three and forgotten. Sorry abt that. You seem to have a good grasp on these guys.
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Post by trehopr1 on Aug 27, 2020 16:01:56 GMT -8
A very good comparison of the three species indeed Tim ! It's nice to see someone do a comparative photo of some species which may be perplexing to others...
I should like to see someone make a comparative photo as well of meiskei, unijuga, junctura, parta, and any other very similar pink species. I know I could learn something because a few select pink ones are problematic for me !
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Post by rayrard on Aug 27, 2020 22:04:11 GMT -8
parta is very distinct as it has dark streaks on the wing that are lacking in the others
unijuga and meskei are easier to tell with HW shots as the median band is thinner in meskei, and the white "squiggle" on the distal FW is much more conspicuous in unijuga
junctura looks much more brown and gray rather than gray
What I have a tough time with is separating the darker and grayer eastern semirelicta from meskei/unijuga, but I've never collected semirelicta
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Post by mothman27 on Aug 28, 2020 3:49:53 GMT -8
Since we are on the topic, perhaps you could offer an opinion on these. I initially though I had a meskei in my collection but I now think they are all junctura. Let me know if you would agree. The interesting thing is that they are all from different places. Also, as you can tell they are different sizes. Data: Top: Allen County, Indiana 2nd: Boulder County, Colorado, USA 3rd: Steuben County, Indiana, USA Bottom: LaSalle County, Illinois, USA And now for the daily report, I got one habilis and one maestosa today and a female Manduca sexta, all at the sheet, none in the traps.
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Post by trehopr1 on Aug 28, 2020 10:12:34 GMT -8
Well, this is indeed a good example of the dilemma I come across with 3-4 of these large salmon colored species. Your specimens Tim look just like some which I have as well. I had one collector say o'h that's C. meiskei and yet another collector said on another occasion o'h that's C. junctura.
Then someone else will likely come along and say o'h that's C. unijuga.
I'm beginning to wonder if anyone really knows how to tell these apart except the noted expert Larry Gall.
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