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Post by billgarthe on Sept 2, 2020 14:36:49 GMT -8
Love to see your all black cerogama. I picked out a few w unique markings including forms ruperti and bunkeri. Some have tons of yellow and some have a very thin yellow HW band. That’s why I love large series of species.....the variation, mild or drastic.  I did catch a coccinata w dark gray/black FWs a few years ago. Maybe I’ll post it up later on. Show me/us some of your goodies. |
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Post by billgarthe on Sept 2, 2020 20:34:42 GMT -8
A few cool ilias....  coccinatas.......w melanic form  |
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Post by rayrard on Sept 2, 2020 22:51:02 GMT -8
I love the Florida coccinata with the broken or faint HW band.
We don't see some of the super-rare Catocala posted about much, like myristica, atocala, herodias, miranda, orba, or lincolana. Seems most of the Catocala fans live in the northern tier states or in the Appalachians.
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Post by bobw on Sept 3, 2020 0:12:13 GMT -8
In all the posts from rayrard all I see is a grey no entry sign.
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Post by billgarthe on Sept 3, 2020 3:30:46 GMT -8
That dark coccinata resembles the FL one w a broken HW band, but was caught in northern IL.
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Post by exoticimports on Sept 3, 2020 4:09:51 GMT -8
In all the posts from rayrard all I see is a grey no entry sign. Odd, me too. At approximately 03Sept20 8:00am I was looking at this thread on my phone and it was fine. At 8:08am on my computer I too get the grey no entry sign instead of a photo. Could be the hosting service? ETA: 8:19am, the no entry sign on rayrard's images is a valid URL, and it IS what you're seeing. Either his images were replaced or access is being denied. Chuck |
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Post by exoticimports on Sept 3, 2020 4:16:21 GMT -8
A couple weeks ago John H reported that in his area, catocala were unusually scarce this year. Oddly, in Upstate NY the catocala are in banner numbers- they are in the garage, on the house, and flying during the day. Horrible things. Anyway, here's some ready for collation:  |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Sept 3, 2020 8:20:01 GMT -8
In all the posts from rayrard all I see is a grey no entry sign. I see the same grey no entry sign ... strange. Adam. |
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Post by mothman27 on Sept 3, 2020 9:47:21 GMT -8
In all the posts from rayrard all I see is a grey no entry sign. I see the same grey no entry sign ... strange. Adam. same here |
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Post by mothman27 on Sept 3, 2020 10:08:00 GMT -8
Any idea on this one which got away from me? Allen Co., Indiana, USA ***Probably C. cergama -ID from billgarthe  |
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Post by exoticimports on Sept 3, 2020 10:10:34 GMT -8
In all the posts from rayrard all I see is a grey no entry sign. I see the same grey no entry sign ... strange. Adam. On my phone now it’s just a small box. So it’s not my security software. |
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 3, 2020 11:12:18 GMT -8
Catocala vidua (female) / large for the species at 90mm.  |
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 3, 2020 11:15:12 GMT -8
Catocala herodias (barrens of the East coast).  |
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 3, 2020 11:17:38 GMT -8
Two very melanic Catocala ilia: (top specimen = form normani) + (bottom specimen = form satanas). *Author's Note: Form (determinations) are courtesy of *billgarthe  |
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Post by billgarthe on Sept 3, 2020 11:19:29 GMT -8
Any idea on this one which got away from me? Allen Co., Indiana, USA If I had to guess, I’d suspect it’s a C. cerogama. Did you see any of the HW? |
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 3, 2020 11:20:37 GMT -8
Catocala atocala (one of 2 which I have collected in S. Illinois).  |
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 3, 2020 11:24:57 GMT -8
Another Catocala ilia: (form conspicua which has VERY prominent reniform spots). *Author's Note: Form (determination) is courtesy of *billgarthe  |
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 3, 2020 11:27:17 GMT -8
O'h man Tim, that was a tough loss... Very cool looking forewings (whatever it was) !
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Post by billgarthe on Sept 3, 2020 11:30:27 GMT -8
Catocala herodias (barrens of the East coast). Oh.....how I’d like to catch herodias......maybe someday. Btw......not be a pain, but I think the top ilia you posted as form satanas is instead a form normani. When the very dark ilia has the form conspicua white outline reniform, it’s normani. Still a good bug no doubt. The ilia pic you listed as a “satanas with VERY prominent reniform spots” is form conspicua. This is merely my take on it and I thought you would want to know. Nice atocala you caught. The few atocala I got in TN were much more flight worn. Yours is nice and fresh. I’ve seen a lot in s IL, but never atocala.......yet  |
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 3, 2020 12:36:56 GMT -8
Thank you, indeed billg. for those corrections regarding my ilia forms. I hold your opinion in high regard and I certainly respect any corrections you are willing to offer...
So, in the first photograph if form normani is the top individual with the white "outlined" reniform spot then is form santanas the one below it which has totally dark forewings and no obvious reniform spot ?
I take it that form conspicua is the type of ilia with the really prominent solid white reniform spots.
Is my understanding of these forms correct ?
I want to make some proper ID labels to place below these forms.
Thank you again for any help which you can provide whenever I post any photos !
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Post by billgarthe on Sept 3, 2020 13:33:40 GMT -8
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Post by billgarthe on Sept 3, 2020 14:24:54 GMT -8
Boy.... I have to thank you all. After I posted that I’ve never caught a semirelicta, I took my drawer of 60 unijuga and found out that I had indeed collected 3. What I thought were mere variations actually weren’t. I poured over images and features listed at Bill O.’s site and voila. Three of what I thought were unijuga turned out to be semirelicta......they had an open subreniform spot coupled with an inner HW black band that didn’t get near the anal fold and had a stronger FW second set of teeth outside the PM line. I marked them as fairly sure for ID w a size 6 font label telling how I came to my determination. These guys are real tough.
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 3, 2020 14:46:14 GMT -8
Can we see a picture billg. of those semirelicta ? To the best of my knowledge I have never picked up that species but, I always enjoy looking at Catocala of any kind.
On our other forum bobw posted a splendid photograph of 5 fresh examples which he bred this year from eggs. Wonderful looking large species...
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Post by billgarthe on Sept 3, 2020 17:30:51 GMT -8
Ok. You should know that I’m going to send pic off for confirmation soon. Also, my label at left did not mention the teeth factor which I forgot to include. The three moths meet all three criteria (my cut off point....especially the inner band not extending to the anal fold) where the unijugas may have one or two of the others. I may be wrong and am open to being told so with reasons. I’m just an old goon doing my best.  |
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Post by rayrard on Sept 3, 2020 18:55:00 GMT -8
I see my photos so I'm not sure what is wrong. I see no photo uploader on here,. I linked to photos in my google photos. What are you guys using to show photos?
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