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Post by machaon44 on Jan 8, 2020 15:36:11 GMT -8
On 24th January 2020 at 10 am and 14 pm in Bordeaux (France) will be sold by auction:
An important private collection of insects of the world, notably butterflies, also from France and Europe comprising around 600 boxes.
It was collected from the 50s until the 70s and the whole collection is in good condition (always protected from day light). It consists of:
- numerous species of Rhopalocera: Papilionidae, Nymphalidae, Pieridae etc. - numerous Morpho from Amazonia and Ornithoptera from Melanesia, including several specimen of Ornithoptera alexandrae (with CITES), - an old collection of moth from France and Europe, - an old French collection of butterflies from France, notably from Gironde, and Europe, collected in the 30s until the 70s, - also some examples of minerals, shells and stuffed animals (taxidermy)
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Post by 58chevy on Jan 9, 2020 8:34:15 GMT -8
Fabulous collection. Who is the collector?
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Post by alandmor on Jan 9, 2020 11:13:09 GMT -8
According to the auction description, it's the collection of Mr. Dupont, an apparently common surname, but don't know anything about him. Anybody?
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Post by ian4316 on Jan 23, 2020 7:31:13 GMT -8
Is there any way of knowing how much each item goes for afterwards just out of interest.
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Post by luehdorf on Jan 24, 2020 2:33:18 GMT -8
Yes it’s in the same thread as posted above, you can eve follow it live right now, you can hear the auctioneer talking, that’s quite amazing!
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Post by nomihoudai on Jan 24, 2020 4:45:10 GMT -8
There is a menu point "resultats des ventes". There you will see after a couple of days what each item went for. That is really nice. I will definitely check out what things went for. Didn't join the auction as I don't live in Europe anymore.
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 25, 2020 1:55:25 GMT -8
Many Ornithoptera alexandrae sold with CITES 1 permits + CIC, it was an impressive sale !
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 25, 2020 2:01:31 GMT -8
Some screenshots from the online live auction of yesterday :   Note that on top of the final price, there is a 23% tax to add. (and 26% on online bids). |
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Post by hovado2 on Mar 20, 2020 17:37:55 GMT -8
from this auction butterflies are selling again on the e-bay. Price is so thief
For example I analysed this box teinopalpus/bhutanitis (I have no result of the auction price, but more than 1000USD it certainly was not. if there anyone who knows auction price, please fillit up, thanks)
and now on the e-bay teinopalpus....:-)))
bhutanitis...
so do not buy it when it´s so cheap:-DDD
what do you think about this sellers?
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 21, 2020 3:31:34 GMT -8
Well it is a unique opportunity to get Teinopalpus and Bhutanitis with permits, not so expensive.
It is a common practice for professional sellers to buy big lots in auctions and resell them one by one.
But this seller doesn't seem specialized in insects as he cannot even spell the word "entomologie" and he has a "shell" nickname... so he may not earn as much money as he thought.
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Post by exoticimports on Mar 21, 2020 5:32:54 GMT -8
Why call someone a thief for making a profit? Everyone had the opportunity to attend the auction and buy in lots.
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 21, 2020 7:12:09 GMT -8
Exactly
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Post by hovado2 on Mar 21, 2020 14:10:39 GMT -8
Why call someone a thief for making a profit? Everyone had the opportunity to attend the auction and buy in lots. In our country we called this people who want make a multiple profits without any added vallue as a thief. I know in your country this is called pure capitalism. OK:-) It´s depend only on attitude...
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Post by Paul K on Mar 21, 2020 14:54:23 GMT -8
But no one force to buy those specimens at higher price, then the seller aka thief will choke with unwanted items or lower the price.
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Post by hovado2 on Mar 21, 2020 15:21:38 GMT -8
But no one force to buy those specimens at higher price, then the seller aka thief will choke with unwanted items or lower the price. Yes you have right, I think that he is potentionaly thief(because he not sold them yet with this prices). For me is amoral to show this very old pieces with this prices. OK, it´s his business and this is my opinion.
In EU we have one big disadvantage. From India, Vietnam and any other Asia countries we have disabled import insects, mainly Teinopalpus and Bhutanitis, permission is not enough... realy perfect situation for private collectors. From Vietnam is on e-bay many offered Teinopalpuses, but I mustn´t to buy them and on insects fairs in my locality are everything pieces sold out...
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