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Post by machaon44 on Jan 8, 2020 15:36:11 GMT -8
On 24th January 2020 at 10 am and 14 pm in Bordeaux (France) will be sold by auction:
An important private collection of insects of the world, notably butterflies, also from France and Europe comprising around 600 boxes.
It was collected from the 50s until the 70s and the whole collection is in good condition (always protected from day light). It consists of:
- numerous species of Rhopalocera: Papilionidae, Nymphalidae, Pieridae etc. - numerous Morpho from Amazonia and Ornithoptera from Melanesia, including several specimen of Ornithoptera alexandrae (with CITES), - an old collection of moth from France and Europe, - an old French collection of butterflies from France, notably from Gironde, and Europe, collected in the 30s until the 70s, - also some examples of minerals, shells and stuffed animals (taxidermy)
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Post by 58chevy on Jan 9, 2020 8:34:15 GMT -8
Fabulous collection. Who is the collector?
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Post by alandmor on Jan 9, 2020 11:13:09 GMT -8
According to the auction description, it's the collection of Mr. Dupont, an apparently common surname, but don't know anything about him. Anybody?
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Post by ian4316 on Jan 23, 2020 7:31:13 GMT -8
Is there any way of knowing how much each item goes for afterwards just out of interest.
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Post by luehdorf on Jan 24, 2020 2:33:18 GMT -8
Yes it’s in the same thread as posted above, you can eve follow it live right now, you can hear the auctioneer talking, that’s quite amazing!
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Post by nomihoudai on Jan 24, 2020 4:45:10 GMT -8
There is a menu point "resultats des ventes". There you will see after a couple of days what each item went for. That is really nice. I will definitely check out what things went for. Didn't join the auction as I don't live in Europe anymore.
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 25, 2020 1:55:25 GMT -8
Many Ornithoptera alexandrae sold with CITES 1 permits + CIC, it was an impressive sale !
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 25, 2020 2:01:31 GMT -8
Some screenshots from the online live auction of yesterday :   Note that on top of the final price, there is a 23% tax to add. (and 26% on online bids). |
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Post by radusho on Jan 25, 2020 4:20:20 GMT -8
there were some changes in several lots in the last minutes. They split one box with 6 alexandrae into several auctions, also from one PArnassius they excluded apollo specimens as probably they did not have permits to sell them.
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Post by hovado2 on Mar 20, 2020 17:37:55 GMT -8
from this auction butterflies are selling again on the e-bay. Price is so thief
For example I analysed this box teinopalpus/bhutanitis (I have no result of the auction price, but more than 1000USD it certainly was not. if there anyone who knows auction price, please fillit up, thanks)
and now on the e-bay teinopalpus....:-)))
bhutanitis...
so do not buy it when it´s so cheap:-DDD
what do you think about this sellers?
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 21, 2020 3:31:34 GMT -8
Well it is a unique opportunity to get Teinopalpus and Bhutanitis with permits, not so expensive.
It is a common practice for professional sellers to buy big lots in auctions and resell them one by one.
But this seller doesn't seem specialized in insects as he cannot even spell the word "entomologie" and he has a "shell" nickname... so he may not earn as much money as he thought.
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Post by exoticimports on Mar 21, 2020 5:32:54 GMT -8
Why call someone a thief for making a profit? Everyone had the opportunity to attend the auction and buy in lots.
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 21, 2020 7:12:09 GMT -8
Exactly
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Post by hovado2 on Mar 21, 2020 14:10:39 GMT -8
Why call someone a thief for making a profit? Everyone had the opportunity to attend the auction and buy in lots. In our country we called this people who want make a multiple profits without any added vallue as a thief. I know in your country this is called pure capitalism. OK:-) It´s depend only on attitude...
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Post by Paul K on Mar 21, 2020 14:54:23 GMT -8
But no one force to buy those specimens at higher price, then the seller aka thief will choke with unwanted items or lower the price.
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Post by hovado2 on Mar 21, 2020 15:21:38 GMT -8
But no one force to buy those specimens at higher price, then the seller aka thief will choke with unwanted items or lower the price. Yes you have right, I think that he is potentionaly thief(because he not sold them yet with this prices). For me is amoral to show this very old pieces with this prices. OK, it´s his business and this is my opinion.
In EU we have one big disadvantage. From India, Vietnam and any other Asia countries we have disabled import insects, mainly Teinopalpus and Bhutanitis, permission is not enough... realy perfect situation for private collectors. From Vietnam is on e-bay many offered Teinopalpuses, but I mustn´t to buy them and on insects fairs in my locality are everything pieces sold out...
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Post by leptraps on Mar 22, 2020 4:15:56 GMT -8
I have always been amazed at the prices that the "Collectors" of Lepidoptera are willing to pay/spend.
I only collect North American Lepidotera. I will admit to having some Caribbean material that I collected or was given. However, there are those who are aesthetic collectors only. There are some absolutely gorgeous Lepidoptera. I would rather travel out west to collect Lepidoptera. I use Light Traps, Bait Traps and a net.
As many of you know, I like moths, especially those gray and brown Noctuid moths. At one time I really got into Catagramia (88 Butterflies). I have about 1100 specimens in my collection. I have done very little with them since 2005(??). Even now, as spring approaches, I still like those cold weather/winter Moths.
I spread about 25 Lithophane and several Eupsilia last night that I collect in Bait Traps Saturday afternoon. I also have four (4) UFO's Noctuids and an odd looking Geometridae.
While out checking my Bait Traps, I encountered a couple of Deer. They like my apples. (I like to eat apples, before heading out to check my traps, I always slice up a couple to eat during my travels.) I always have several apples in my front seat of my car to feed the deer.
Spring is almost sprung. I may set out some light traps towards the end of week. Temps in the upper 60's low 70's will have the Moths on the wing.
You guys in Florida should be busy. Mid March in South Florida will have the Spring Skippers on the thistles.
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Post by jhyatt on Mar 22, 2020 6:01:07 GMT -8
Well said, Exoticimports and Paul K! The market determines whether prices are too high or not. If they're to high, items won't sell.
If they do sell, then the price was acceptable to some buyer. I see no moral problem with letting the market operate.
Regards,
jh
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 23, 2020 2:15:43 GMT -8
@hovado, I would be very happy to give you 1000€ for a Delias elusiva, even if you have bought it in an auction for 10€.  |
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