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Post by wollastoni on Nov 16, 2018 2:13:38 GMT -8
Every time there is a mass shooting, especially school shootings, we hear the constant cry from the Left that we need gun control and/or that we should remove guns from our society. Guns are not the problem but the result of a Society without a conscience. With the advent of video games came violent video games. You can play mortal combat where you can take an axe and throw it at your opponent and stick it in his head. Or with a machine gun he can kill hundreds of others in combat or street violence. Our children can plays these games for hours on end. Leroy, the West European society has the same penetration of video games, violent movies and so on... but much less victims... just thanks to gun control. As simple as that. And please stop thinking that only "leftists" are pro gun-control.  In all countries where there is a gun-control, most "Right wing people" are for gun-control. Why ? Because the US mass shootings remind us every 2 week that gun-control is very efficient to spare innocent lives. Then I fully agree with you on death sentence. I cannot understand why we keep in our jails (paid by our taxes) and on our overpopulated planet the serial killers, the terrorists and the pedophiles... |
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Post by wollastoni on Nov 16, 2018 2:18:56 GMT -8
In countries where they don't have easy access to firearms people make bombs to commit mass murder. Much harder to make an efficient bomb that to pull the trigger... + many terrorists are arrested by the police when these guys try to buy some bomb ingredients. |
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Post by wollastoni on Nov 16, 2018 2:21:22 GMT -8
A second later I was faced with a scared/pissed off 6 foot woman with a loaded shotgun that at the distance between us would have cut me in half had she pulled the trigger. My life flashed before my eyes and most of it sucked with a good part thrown in here and there. Some honest people like you had less chance and has been killed by their own wife at night thinking it was a burglar... imagine how sad your wife would have been for all her remaining life... |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 16, 2018 2:56:17 GMT -8
It's a reflection on US society that @jtaylor feels the need to have guns in the house to protect himself and his family.
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Post by exoticimports on Nov 16, 2018 3:23:55 GMT -8
It's a reflection on US society that @jtaylor feels the need to have guns in the house to protect himself and his family. That’s true but perhaps not in the way intended. Where I live we don’t have mobs burning cars or bars on windows. What we do have is lots of guns. And nobody gets shot or goes crazy. Almost 90% of gun deaths are urban youths- gangs and criminals. Frankly not my problem. As for mass shootings, that’s the failed system. There is no longer a means to analyze or treat the deranged, it was phased out in the 1960s. It was deemed inappropriate to lock them up, and treatment was not funded. So they are allowed to live in society waiting to snap. But the right isn’t about hunting or even home defense. It’s about being prepared against enemies, typically government led, both foreign and domestic. Primary it’s to keep our government in check. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 5:27:43 GMT -8
Yes, Mr.Cotton it is. But that's how it is here. Too many people using meth and bath salts getting high on that crap and breaking in on you in the middle of the night. The farmers cant even leave anhydrous ammonia tanks in the fields overnight anymore or the "meth heads" will drain them out to make methamphetamine. Want to buy more than one box of nasal decongestant a month? Forget about it. The pharmacy won't let you. Its another ingredient in making meth.
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Post by mothman27 on Nov 16, 2018 14:46:02 GMT -8
Every time there is a mass shooting, especially school shootings, we hear the constant cry from the Left that we need gun control and/or that we should remove guns from our society. Guns are not the problem but the result of a Society without a conscience. With the advent of video games came violent video games. You can play mortal combat where you can take an axe and throw it at your opponent and stick it in his head. Or with a machine gun he can kill hundreds of others in combat or street violence. Our children can plays these games for hours on end. Our society has created a new type of murder, a life is taken without violence, it is called abortions. Approximately 62 million since Roe vs Wade in 1973. And we thought the Nazi’s were bad!
- If we were to let people act without a moral standard then I guess we should legalize murder of any kind, not just abortion. If you think just far as it doesn't harm others then first of all, abortion should be illegal and I guess suicide should be legalized. Why can't women just kill unwanted toddlers too? I guess you think it is better to kill people if they will live a bad life (which we can't actually foresee). I wouldn't want to be killed just because I would grow up poor. Many laws are built on moral values."Ideally, everybody in this world would behave well and have good moral values - but lets face it, its like a certain political belief where everybody are equal, a utopic dream. Let these girls and women make choices of their own and lets support them without judging them. They most likely never wanted to have an abortion in the first place, but they had a problem right there in their life that they had to deal with."
- Does it make sense to support anything people do, regardless of what it is? Sounds completely absurd to me. Its not judging if it's looking out for the persons good. If dealing with the problem is killing a baby then why is killing our enemies illegal?I don't mean to be offensive. Just my thoughts. Thanks, Tim |
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Post by leptraps on Nov 16, 2018 17:19:49 GMT -8
I am a gun owner, break into my home, I am going to use my gun. Should you commit a murder with a gun, the death penalty is required. No life without parole. Means of execution, hanging, electric chair and my favorite, boiling in oil. I would bet some serious coin that within a decade the murder rate in the USA would plummet. Besides, life without parole cost money, our tax dollars.
As for video games. I learned to read at a very young age and enjoy reading to this day. I am currently reading my way through the Civil War. The author is Bruce Catton. I am currently reading "This Hallowed Ground". I have all of Bruce Catton's books. I read them twenty plus years ago. They are excellent reads.
I watch the neighbor kids and they all do are play video games. If they are not playing video games they are staring into smart phones. Life was different 60 years ago. I collected butterflies and moths, bugs in general. I collected minerals, leaves, shells and even fossils.I played chess, taught my son's to play chess and we still play to this day. I owned a telescope, still own one, I still go on line and look at the Hubble Telescope. There is so much to see and do in this world than to set and stare at a TV, Computer Screen or Smart Phone.
I have read enough about the relationships between gun violence and violent video games to understand the results. Do not know how it works in Europe. However, Europe has enough history with violence, two world wars, I do not believe Europeans would allow such violence to be sold, let alone used by children. Then again, I have been known to be wrong.
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Post by mothman27 on Nov 16, 2018 17:34:04 GMT -8
I am a gun owner, break into my home, I am going to use my gun. Should you commit a murder with a gun, the death penalty is required. No life without parole. Means of execution, hanging, electric chair and my favorite, boiling in oil. I would bet some serious coin that within a decade the murder rate in the USA would plummet. Besides, life without parole cost money, our tax dollars. The death penalty costs more than life in prison. I am against the death penalty in all situations from a moral standpoint but I can see where you are coming from. There is always the chance that someone will be wrongly accused and this has happened many times. Why kill someone when we have the ability to confine them and they are no longer a danger to society. |
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Post by joachim on Nov 17, 2018 2:49:19 GMT -8
I am a gun owner, break into my home, I am going to use my gun. Should you commit a murder with a gun, the death penalty is required. No life without parole. Means of execution, hanging, electric chair and my favorite, boiling in oil. I would bet some serious coin that within a decade the murder rate in the USA would plummet. Besides, life without parole cost money, our tax dollars. The death penalty costs more than life in prison. I am against the death penalty in all situations from a moral standpoint but I can see where you are coming from. There is always the chance that someone will be wrongly accused and this has happened many times. Why kill someone when we have the ability to confine them and they are no longer a danger to society. agree. And I was always wondering why christians are for killing people even it is forbidden ( 10 commitments ?? ) I am atheist and I would never harm anybody, even no animals .
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Post by joachim on Nov 17, 2018 2:51:19 GMT -8
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Post by exoticimports on Nov 17, 2018 4:45:32 GMT -8
The death penalty costs more than life in prison. I am against the death penalty in all situations from a moral standpoint but I can see where you are coming from. There is always the chance that someone will be wrongly accused and this has happened many times. Why kill someone when we have the ability to confine them and they are no longer a danger to society. agree. And I was always wondering why christians are for killing people even it is forbidden ( 10 commitments ?? ) I am atheist and I would never harm anybody, even no animals .
The Ten Commandments got screwed up in the translation to Greek, an error that continues to be promulgated to this day. It is “shall not murder” not “shall not kill”. There is a significant difference. |
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Post by mothman27 on Nov 17, 2018 5:21:52 GMT -8
I don't think the exact translation is literal. Well, I think most people, including myself take "thou shalt not kill" to include more than killing, for example do not torture. Also, I think killing animals is fine. If we took it literally, it would mean do not kill any plant, animal, human or other organism. Also, I obviously think killing in self defense is totally fine but when someone is sentenced to death they are not a danger anymore if they are just put in prison they can do no harm.
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Post by joachim on Nov 17, 2018 5:24:18 GMT -8
agreed
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Post by leptraps on Nov 17, 2018 6:16:11 GMT -8
Until it affects you, until you loose someone that is killed for any reason by the hands of another, until you bare the heart ache, sorrow and anger, you will never know.
In 1997 Micheal Carneal walked into a high school in Paducah and killed three classmate with a gun. He claimed he wss bullied.
He was sentenced to life in prison without parole.
However, less than two years after the shooting, his lawyers have attempted to get the plea withdrawn, a new trail, etc., etc. All at the tax payers expense. And remember you are a tax payer. That is your money.
I feel empathy for everyone involved.
We are a nation of laws, like it or not, that is how order is maintained. Mr. Carneal took the lives of three teenage girls because he was bullied by others. There are three families whose lives will never be the same.
I firmly believe in the death penalty. We should use it.
I lived in Florida when the State executed Ted Bundy. Read one of the books on Ted Bundy. In the end, Bundy was will to tell where all the bodies were buried of all the women he killed that no one knew of or about for Life Without Parole.
When he was executed, it was a major relief for the State of Florida.
And then there was Charles Manson of the Manson Family (His female followers) who murdered Sharon Tate and several others. He was sentenced to death but reduced to life without parole. He died last year in prison at the age of 85. No one claimed the body. The state buried the body in an unmarked grave. I read that the State of California spent over 4 million dollar on Charles Manson.
As I have said, "Try em and fry em"...why waste all that money keeping them alive.
However, we are a civilized nation.
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In all countries where there is a gun-control, most "Right wing people" are for gun-control. Why ? Because the US mass shootings remind us every 2 week that gun-control is very efficient to spare innocent lives. 
