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Post by mothman27 on Jul 27, 2018 16:00:45 GMT -8
On the 25th I netted this unique specimen in my own backyard! It looks to me to be a mosaic specimen of Papilio glaucus. Clearly it has female characteristics. My question is, is there a way to determine whether this is a mosaic gynandromorph or a mosaic of the two female forms of this species (does this even ever happen)? Either way, I'm super exited to have collected it!  |
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Post by jshuey on Jul 28, 2018 9:03:12 GMT -8
Hi Tim,
Looks like a gender blender to me. Nice back-yard bug!
john
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Post by leptraps on Jul 28, 2018 10:20:06 GMT -8
Hi Tim, Looks like a gender blender to me. Nice back-yard bug! john Show the entire specimen. What does the tip of the abdomen look like? Nice specimen. You will remember that one for your entire life. |
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Post by mothman27 on Jul 28, 2018 16:54:46 GMT -8
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Post by leptraps on Jul 29, 2018 2:20:17 GMT -8
That is a beaut. I have taken several aberration, but nothing like that.
I have seen several other aberrations posted on Face Book recently.
Could be the Red Moon rising?
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Post by mothman27 on Aug 12, 2018 6:05:01 GMT -8
Here she/he is:  |
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Post by Paul K on Aug 12, 2018 7:49:24 GMT -8
Splendid specimen, one for a life time.
I suppose you wish you could catch her/him one week earlier, but still great finding.
Congrats and thanks for sharing.
Paul
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Post by mothman27 on Aug 12, 2018 8:40:12 GMT -8
Yes, I consider myself very lucky. Here in northern Indiana the dark form glaucus are not common, I would guess one dark form female for every 5+ yellow females. So, considering that, I am very happy with the condition (With both tails intact, this is actually the nicest dark form I have!). I find it fascinating that as the population of Battus philenor decreases as you go north, so does the frequency of dark females of P. glaucus. I have only collected two specimens of B. philenor here. I am also thankful that one of them was virtually perfect!  |
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Post by Paul K on Aug 13, 2018 8:27:11 GMT -8
I find it fascinating that as the population of Battus philenor decreases as you go north, so does the frequency of dark females of P. glaucus. I have only collected two specimens of B. philenor here. I am also thankful that one of them was virtually perfect! B.philenor is rare in Ontario and can be fund only at the Lake Erie costal areas. Black form of females of P.glaucus are even much more rare here. I haven't seen one so far. They are mimics of B.philenor so if that species does not occur there is no need for black female forms. Paul |
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Post by leptraps on Dec 1, 2018 14:08:46 GMT -8
I remember as a teenager, my best friend and Lepidopterist, Walt Strekal, would ride our bicycles about 25 or 30 miles from the east side of Cleveland, Ohio to Kirtland Hills, Ohio to collect Papilio glaucus in the Clover Fields (Actually hay fields with lots of Red Clover) just south of The Holden Arboretum. Here I collected my first, but far from last, Papilio glaucus dark form female. The specimen is still in my collection, plus several other males and yellow females. I spent many days and hours in these field and surrounding areas collecting Lepidoptera. I have several hundred, possibly a thousand specimens in my collection from my teenage years. And that was before Bait Traps and Light Traps.
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Post by LEPMAN on Dec 1, 2018 20:02:39 GMT -8
Yes, I consider myself very lucky. Here in northern Indiana the dark form glaucus are not common, I would guess one dark form female for every 5+ yellow females. So, considering that, I am very happy with the condition (With both tails intact, this is actually the nicest dark form I have!). I find it fascinating that as the population of Battus philenor decreases as you go north, so does the frequency of dark females of P. glaucus. I have only collected two specimens of B. philenor here. I am also thankful that one of them was virtually perfect! You should come down to central Indiana! I’ve caught dozens of B.philenor down here. There’s also many more dark form females. |
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Post by exoticimports on Dec 2, 2018 7:25:08 GMT -8
to collect Papilio glaucus in the Clover Fields (Actually hay fields with lots of Red Clover) Nowhere I've collected in New England- primarily Upstate NY and SE Pennsylvania, but sporadically other places- have I ever seen Glaucus on clover or any other low plant. Never, ever. Polyxenes on clover, absolutely. But glaucus here seems to prefer Rhodedendron and Lilac, and even then I never see them under about 1.5 meter above ground level. I have caught G. maynardi on ground plants. Since Leroy brought it up, I ponder on this..why have I never seen New England glaucus on clover or other ground plants? Chuck |
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Post by leptraps on Dec 2, 2018 15:33:15 GMT -8
As I said in my previous post, it was the first time I ever collected a dark female of Papilio glaucus. I collected in these cover fields many times. There two of them separated buy a fence. Both were 25+ acres. They were hay fields which were harvested several times per year. Both of the field drained towards a wet area before draining into the Chagrin River. Along. the edges of the wet area were stands of Milkweed, Eupatoria, and Dog Bane. However, collecting in those clover field was always good. I collected many firsts: Hesperia sassacus, Lycaena phlaeas, Satyrium acadicum and Heraclides cresphontes. The hairstreaks were always on the Dog Bane. Speyeria were on everything. It was just a great area to collect.
When lived in SW Virginia, I collected all of the Speyeria in a large area of fields with lots of clover and milkweed (Caldwell Fields,Craig County in the Jefferson NF). I collected Speyeria diana and Speyeria idalia on Red Clover in these field.
However, on the other side of the road from the parking area at Cadwell Fields was a abandoned homestead, all the buildings were gone and there was area that was one massive field of Milkweed. Talk about a place to collect. But there was one area even better about a mile North that was known as the Kaspe. It was a series of Lime Stone Steps. Each step was a dozen feet wide and maybe a quarter mile long. Tons of Milkweed, Dogbane and Star Thistle. I loved that place.
And there was always Red Clover.
Here in Kentucky I collect in two fields of Red Clover in the Kleber WMA. I see Swallowtails visiting the Red Clover. I must also say that both these field are surrounded by heavy forest. Lots of deer are shot in these fields during the hunting season.
I think I have wandered about some with this post.
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