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Post by bichos on Mar 18, 2011 22:06:34 GMT -8
HI Found this Vanessa itea rercently, wasn't flying so good. Not sure what to make of it, its probably not a gynandro, so just a simple aberration  Attachments:
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Post by bobw on Mar 18, 2011 23:11:18 GMT -8
These were discussed at length on the old forum and nobody was very impressed with the use of the word aberration for the
type of crippled specimen that most people would just throw away, especially as some people were tying to sell them for a premium price.
Bob
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Post by nomihoudai on Mar 19, 2011 2:32:18 GMT -8
It's a form not an abberation, it's f. readyforthebin.
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Post by downundermoths on Mar 19, 2011 4:36:28 GMT -8
Yes, it's a tortological deformity...
BTW Bichos/Creepy Crawly are you in Oz or NZ?
Barry (in Oz)
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Post by bichos on Mar 19, 2011 16:00:24 GMT -8
its tortological!!! I like it. I did't see the old thread on this but I agree its not a real nice defformity, but I won't be throwing it in the bin it's a keeper.
thanks for your comments...
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Post by nomihoudai on Mar 20, 2011 0:57:19 GMT -8
Then use the correct word at least, tErAtological... besides this is just a fancy word to tell it's a cripple due to enviromental ( outer ) factors.
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Post by thanos on Mar 20, 2011 1:44:39 GMT -8
Yes..'teratological' of course..
'Teras'=monster in Greek.
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Post by bichos on Mar 20, 2011 3:55:18 GMT -8
;D I thought it had to do something with turtles lol te ra to lo gi cal, gee thanks. Well here is a better specimen of a common species H. bolimna which was passed on two years ago Gynandromorph not a full bilateral tho Attachments:
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Post by downundermoths on Mar 20, 2011 5:18:09 GMT -8
Yes, I meant teratological...senior moment !!
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Post by nomihoudai on Mar 20, 2011 8:38:20 GMT -8
The second specimen truely is a gem and a once in a lifetime catch! Thx for sharing bichos.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 9:05:59 GMT -8
The second specimen truely is a gem and a once in a lifetime catch! Thx for sharing bichos. Yes indeed----that Hypolimnas is a splendid specimen. You can put in my bin....if you want  |
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Post by Entomofou on Mar 20, 2011 10:58:21 GMT -8
Some people have work on reasons of teratologic cases.
In France, Dr Balazuc have written many articles on this subject (about Coleoptera).
Regards,
Stéphane
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Post by thanos on Mar 20, 2011 22:34:24 GMT -8
This gynandromorph H.bolina is an incredible specimen bichos ! Congrats! It's mainly a bilateral,but also with mosaic on the left(on the female's) side. And is in perfect,fresh condition! I'm not a collector of gynandromorphs,but I like this specimen.
Thanos
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Post by Fernando on Mar 21, 2011 5:35:07 GMT -8
A question from an ignorant: can gynandromorph specimens mate?
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Post by bobw on Mar 21, 2011 6:18:47 GMT -8
If it's a bilateral gynadromorph no; a true bilateral is split down the middle of the abdomen so it has male genitalia on one side and female on the other. In groups where the claspers are obvious such as Papilionidae it's very easy to see that there is only a clasper on one side.
I guess that if it's predominantly one sex with a bit of colour from the other sex there's no reason why it shouldn't be fertile, it would depend on how screwed up it was!
Bob
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