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Post by hypanartia on Mar 15, 2018 17:59:57 GMT -8
Kalamay,
Just to point out that e-bay americaninsects-world shows up as if it is located in USA (MT, I think). That is false. This was also a source of trouble when esperanza was his/her brand name. On the other hand, I almost certain Peter Jakubek is not his/her name.
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Post by douala14 on Apr 9, 2018 0:46:31 GMT -8
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Post by beetlehorn on May 4, 2018 16:46:11 GMT -8
Last weekend I successfully bid on some auctions that were listed under americaninsects-world. Seeing that the listing stated the item location was "Montana USA", I unknowingly bid with confidence that I would not have to bother with importing the items since I live in the US. While awaiting an invoice from him I ran across this thread and I was rather upset to learn about this guy's actual location. Three of the items are a subspecies of P. apollo, which as everyone knows is CITES II listed. Since I have not paid him yet, I asked him directly if he was located in the US, and if these items would be sent from a US address. He keeps stating and insisting that his listings are correct regarding item location. I would rather terminate the transaction instead of illegally importing protected species, because of potential problems that might arise.
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 5, 2018 0:28:14 GMT -8
Ask him whether CITES permits also come with the specimens. If they don't then don't pay for them. You need to have proof that they were legally imported in the first place, even if they are now in the USA.
Adam.
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Post by beetlehorn on May 5, 2018 0:47:15 GMT -8
When he listed his specimens that were up for auction, he claimed that none of them were protected species. Thinking back now I remember one of them being Papilio hospiton, Which I did not bid on, and which has been moved from CITES I to CITES II recently. He told me in one of his messages to me that there was no need for any permits, and that the package would be safely delivered to my address. At this point I feel that it would be in my best interest not to pay him.
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 5, 2018 4:14:19 GMT -8
If you are in the US, not only is there the CITES issue for apollo, but if the specimens are European they are protected under national laws, and the Lacey Act would also apply.
Adam.
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Post by wollastoni on May 8, 2018 0:35:48 GMT -8
Indeed, Adam is 100% right.
Even if shipped from the USA, these specimens are illegal. So don't buy them and report him to ebay.
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Post by exoticimports on May 8, 2018 2:35:51 GMT -8
What is the psychology of wanting to buy CITES? There are far rarer papilios than hospiton etc. it’s easier to find alexandrae for sale than Papilio erskinei
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Post by wollastoni on May 8, 2018 3:46:09 GMT -8
Why not if bought with CITES permits ?
Without permit, it is a stupid risk...
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Post by beetlehorn on May 8, 2018 4:28:38 GMT -8
I totally agree. I bid on his auctions because he states that his location is in Helena Montana, which the last time I checked was in the US. The issue we American collectors have is that importing any wildlife (stuffed birds, animals skins, ivory of any kind, stuffed fish, etc., even insects) is subject to USFWS regulations. Packages get inspected when they cross US borders. I simply don't want to risk any trouble with the authorities just because some individual is trying to make some money. He keeps insisting that he is in Montana, even going so far as sending me a street address complete with zip code, but after reading this thread and speaking to other collectors, I have a strong feeling he is lying to me. His listings are misleading because he is purposefully lying as to his whereabouts in the hopes US buyers will bid on his auctions.
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Post by exoticimports on May 8, 2018 4:53:26 GMT -8
Why not if bought with CITES permits ? Without permit, it is a stupid risk... I don’t know anyone that provides the actual permit with specimen. No reason it can’t be done though. |
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Post by beetlehorn on May 8, 2018 8:25:28 GMT -8
Just wondering......do insect dealers keep copies of CITES permits in their files? How long are they supposed to keep them? If I have say an Ornithoptera priamus pair that I have owned for several years, would it be wise to contact the dealer and get a copy of it?
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 8, 2018 9:33:42 GMT -8
If you don't have the permits how can you prove your specimens are legal?
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Post by Paul K on May 8, 2018 9:57:01 GMT -8
Just wondering......do insect dealers keep copies of CITES permits in their files? How long are they supposed to keep them? If I have say an Ornithoptera priamus pair that I have owned for several years, would it be wise to contact the dealer and get a copy of it? I think it doesn’t make too much sense to do that. In reality CITES are only to move specimen from country to country. If the dealer for example has permit to import 10 pair of Ornithoptera priamus the package must have 10 pairs when inspected by customs. If he also brought few without permit with success you wouldn’t know 100% if the specimen is legal or not. They don’t have serial number in grave on their body, so once the specimen successful arrived it should be consider as legal and there is no point to go into the details. In case of protected species in other country that is totally different issue. I believe in this case to be on safe side you should have permit (not CITES) while leaving in US, but this is also hard to prove illegal as the specimen could be from old collection when it was not protected in foreign country or the label could state different country where it is not protected. The whole insect police doesn’t make sense to me at all while we successfully destroying their habitat and where all governments should actually pay attention to. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 15:46:20 GMT -8
Here in the goofy USA, one merely needs a bill of sale if u bought the insects from within. Thus you are not at fault and the seller/importer may be contacted to show proper importation. One needs to keep records forever if one imports material. I still have all my paperwork from long ago when I had a license and did importations. I am SO relieved to not be a part of this crap anymore. Tom.....if u have a cancelled check, PayPal receipt, or credit card statement with the sale, you should be ok. They do really focus on the actual bringing in or out of insects more than collection exams from stuff already here.
Regarding P. J., I fell for his stunt once as u you know. I did print out the listing so as to protect myself should the need arise.
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