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Post by wollastoni on Nov 22, 2020 10:24:57 GMT -8
Yes indeed.
But as several farms are competing in this Agrias hybrid madness, they tend to protect their production secrets. A lot of money at stake...
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Post by yorky on Nov 22, 2020 10:56:19 GMT -8
I've just taken a dozen of these off the boards but I only paid a fraction of the cost of ebay prices, males and females, they are truly magnificent. I would imagine more new hybrids will be coming in the future with further experimentation,
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Post by yorky on Jun 5, 2021 4:34:01 GMT -8
First one off the boards prepona dexamenus x agrias beata  |
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Post by yorky on Jun 5, 2021 4:35:25 GMT -8
Wonderful specimen this, prepona praeneste x agrias beata Attachments:
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Post by yorky on Jun 5, 2021 4:37:44 GMT -8
 Saved the best while last, the heavenly Prepona praeneste x prepona omphale, stunning, only seen 1 of this hybrid ever offered and the price was eye watering. |
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Post by trehopr1 on Jun 5, 2021 9:33:57 GMT -8
My, you certainly do your trophy hunting in some rather
exclusive territory !
My hat's off to you though really because if I had the means
(myself); I'd probably desire a small selection of these myself.
Some are certainly very unique (one of a kinds); like that 3rd
praeneste/omphale. However, most others are a nice variation on
a theme.
It seems that some of the (crosses) result in some having more
intense blue than others - as in your first one !
Greens, though often more restricted do offer a nice "highlight"
on the ones having that "popping" blue. A few, though do turn out
a bit too dark for me.
Thank you kindly for sharing these rather exclusive and
yet stunning treasures with us.
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Post by yorky on Jun 5, 2021 11:26:50 GMT -8
My, you certainly do your trophy hunting in some rather exclusive territory ! My hat's off to you though really because if I had the means (myself); I'd probably desire a small selection of these myself. Some are certainly very unique (one of a kinds); like that 3rd praeneste/omphale. However, most others are a nice variation on a theme. It seems that some of the (crosses) result in some having more intense blue than others - as in your first one ! Greens, though often more restricted do offer a nice "highlight" on the ones having that "popping" blue. A few, though do turn out a bit too dark for me. Thank you kindly for sharing these rather exclusive and yet stunning treasures with us. I'm lucky enough to have contacts, there is no way that I could afford these at market prices. A guy was asking for $750 for the praeneste x omphale which is insane. |
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Post by wollastoni on Jun 7, 2021 7:23:47 GMT -8
Thank you kindly for sharing these rather exclusive and yet stunning treasures with us. If you want to admire Agrias/Prepona hybrids, you will see plenty on Collector's Secret : Agrias hybrids |
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Post by yorky on Sept 12, 2021 8:33:11 GMT -8
I managed to resurrect my digital camera, for all of 10 minutes, not great pictures but better than the last one's.
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Post by yorky on Sept 12, 2021 8:33:53 GMT -8
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Post by yorky on Sept 12, 2021 8:34:29 GMT -8
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Post by yorky on Sept 12, 2021 8:35:01 GMT -8
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Post by yorky on Sept 12, 2021 8:35:34 GMT -8
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Post by yorky on Sept 12, 2021 8:36:15 GMT -8
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Post by yorky on Sept 12, 2021 8:37:53 GMT -8
I also have this beauty on the way, agrias lugens x prepona dexamenus abberation with large extra spot on hindwing.  |
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Post by jhyatt on Sept 12, 2021 8:50:23 GMT -8
Is anyone else like me in this respect? I love collecting butterflies, so long as they're wild-caught. But these hand-reared hybrids, gorgeous as they are, just don't interest me. It'd be like collecting farm animals to collect these, to me. I kinda have the same problem with reared birdwings; I'd treasure an old somewhat flightworn specimen more that I ever would a mint perfect reared bug.
Chacun a son gout, I guess...
Cheers,
jh
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Post by yorky on Sept 12, 2021 9:02:30 GMT -8
I love all the specimens in my collection, caught by me, bred by me, bought by me or given as a gift. To my mind it narrows the options and impoverish a collection if you only want wild caught specimens only. We all collect for different reasons, each to their own.
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 12, 2021 10:13:07 GMT -8
I like them however, I cannot afford any of them.
There is a lot of bred material present in the hobby. Papilionids and Saturniids are two of the most popular families. Also various European leps are offered in our fall season. Again, I love them all because they're "spot on" perfect and I am an aesthetic collector.
I am also a field collector and I certainly don't mind finding nice things this way either.
However, the days of going to exotic places to collect your own are largely over due to the sheer cost and the "hoops" one has to jump through to get permits in many cases.
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 12, 2021 10:21:26 GMT -8
I was just wondering if you have experienced any measure of difficulty in preparing out these specimens.
I've read in some of the above posts that a fair number of specimens experience bent shoulders; so these could be a problem for many would be buyers.
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Post by exoticimports on Sept 12, 2021 10:35:44 GMT -8
I’m with you John, BUT I think there’s scientific value in demonstrating species crosses. And, the results can be astonishing.
Chuck
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Post by yorky on Sept 12, 2021 10:46:23 GMT -8
I was just wondering if you have experienced any measure of difficulty in preparing out these specimens. I've read in some of the above posts that a fair number of specimens experience bent shoulders; so these could be a problem for many would be buyers. Never had bent shoulders HOWEVER they can be an absolute pig to relax and I don't have this problem with pure agrias and prepona. I cannot offer any reasonable explanation as to why, even after injecting several times with boiling water they are either still as stiff as a board or offer some resistance, spreading them can be a real challenge. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Sept 12, 2021 12:37:22 GMT -8
Perhaps it's the way they are killed?
Adam.
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Post by yorky on Sept 12, 2021 13:12:35 GMT -8
Perhaps it's the way they are killed? Adam. That is the only reasonable explanation that I can come up with Adam, I usually don't have a problem with agrias, prepona or charaxes and can usually have them ready to spread in an hour using the hot water injection method without any issues, these however seem to resistant to any method. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Sept 12, 2021 14:47:01 GMT -8
Sounds like they were injected with formalin.
Adam.
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Post by lordpandarus on Sept 12, 2021 19:32:50 GMT -8
hmm yeah, that's why I wouldn't risk buying one. I had the same issue with P. androgeus females
Ex-pupae specimens are a risk to me. Also sometimes the specimens are killed to early and the wings are not hardened making them impossible to set
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