I find their color pattern amazing, that's why I'd want one. I don't care about it's monetary value
They are amazing looking insects. Their existence and apparent ease of production (I've seen about 10 of these for sale recently)confirms what taxonomists now consider to be a settled issue - there is no genus Agrias. They are all Prepona.
Post by lordpandarus on Jan 26, 2017 15:42:08 GMT -8
The one in your first post is very beautiful and perfect
The one in the post just above is not set correctly unfortunately , very bent shoulders .I noticed a lot of the specimens I 've seen offered have this problem to some extent. Maybe they didn't let the wings dry enough after emerging
Indeed they look stunning. I have never been a fan of hybridizing lepidoptera, unless it occurs in nature, (for example Hyalophora kasloensis). I suppose it could occur in the wilds of the Neotropics, but we cannot be sure unless someone actually catches a wild hybridized specimen, then to myself this is all man induced, and conjecture. To me they are merely collectibles, and conversation pieces, although beautiful and interesting.
I too really admire these hybrids; they are stunning. I don't foresee these going down much in price for some time. At least not the GOOD examples... All the rest of the bent shoulder, wing marred, shoddy pinned stuff will still sell off at much reduced prices to those of less discriminating taste. One has to pay the price to have one of the best. Perhaps in time someone will figure out how to achieve more choice examples from their breeding efforts. However, even if this is achieved those in the know will probably only release the "best" examples at a trickle so as to not flood the market and make them worthless. Jshuey, I am curious what exactly happens now to the Agrias genus? I am not a taxonomists like yourself so I'm just wondering how the nomenclature will play out. Thanks for any input.
There is a natural hybrid between Agrias and Prepona. It had been described as a new species: Prepona sarumani SMART, 1976 It was assumed that this was a cross between Prepona praeneste and Agrias claudina.
I have only collected a few family's of Neotropical butterflies and moths. Hamadryas, Marpesia, Anaea and Catagrama. I also collected moths, Arctidea and Sphingidea. I donated all of the moths to the McGuire Center years ago. I debate with my cats whether or not to donate the butterflies to the McGuire Center as well.
I can understand the attraction to Neotropical Lepidoptera. They are stunning creatures. However, I cannot believe the prices that some of you pay for them. I am not a poor man, however, I would rather take Momma out west to see the great splendor of nature than to purchase expensive rarities from the Neotropics.
It might prove otherwise if I actually went to the Neotropics to collect. I would probably go nuts. My wife thinks I'm nuts already.
Post by lordpandarus on May 28, 2018 18:24:01 GMT -8
Like I said many times, my usual limit is about 100$ for a butterfly if it is an extremely beautiful species, and i've rarely paid that even
Made an exception for the Charaxes fournierae at 350$, which is probably the most i ever paid for a single species. I also did get a Prepona werneri for 250$,P. brooksiana escalantiana for 200$ and female spring form P. hermeli for 200$ but that's about it
Even with my price limit I managed to get 95% of the "beautiful" worldwide species over the years in A1 by being patient
Post by kirkwilliams on Jun 1, 2018 17:32:27 GMT -8
I recently acquired two of these hybrids from Tony in Peru. They were extremely difficult to relax and set. The buckling at the forewing main vein attachment was difficult to overcome. I suspected that the problem was how they were killed and Tony confessed that many of the Peruvian specimens are killed by injecting Formalin! The effect, just as in all histology specimens, is tix FIX and preserve living tissue. I believe this accounts for the inability to rehydrate the muscle tissue, thus the difficulty in setting. Tony said they have no alternative in the steamy jungle. This is a terrible practice and you cannot guarantee its use until too late. They dont seem to use this in other parts of the world. Even specimens from Michael Büche have suffered this fate. Kirk
I should imagine that Tony and Michael probably use a lot of the same suppliers so it's not surprising that their specimens could have similar problems. Michael supplies most of his material already set so presumably he must have some way of overcoming the problem.
Question? Because I prepare fresh specimens that I have collected and/or either mount fresh or from a freezer. I rehydrate most specimens from the freezer and they easily spread. Every now and then you get one that just likes to be ornery. I must then cut wing muscles. And once in a blue moon I get one that absolutely will not cooperate. Thrash time and onto the next specimen.
Now if I paid several hundred dollars for specimens, I would be lamenting like some of you. This leads to my question: What is this chemical Formol? And, how is it used?