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Post by lordpandarus on Feb 24, 2011 15:06:37 GMT -8
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Post by papilio28570 on Feb 24, 2011 21:22:31 GMT -8
That is a hefty mark up. Nice if you can get it.
I have collected in Japan on several occasions, generally taking a pair of each species if I could find them and an extra one or two. The Japanese collectors I was with were taking everything they could net even though they already had in excess of 100 specimens from that very same locality. I have a limited number of these extra specimens, still papered, that I may be putting up for auction here on InsectNet in the near future. I still have to decide if I want to part with them. Lots of memories attached to them.
I too have noticed the lack of Japanese specimens available on the web in an English format. I think this shows our American laziness to learn foreign language as there are quite a few Japanese web sites with material for sale, albeit expensively so.
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Post by wollastoni on Feb 25, 2011 1:09:11 GMT -8
Yes I sell most of my rarities to Japanese collectors.
Just one example, last year, I sold one Mynes aroensis female from Papua (nearly never offered on the web). I received about 10 offers, 9 of them from Japanese collectors. They are very interested in rare leps, not only in Papilionidae or Agrias like most Western collectors...
They are very good at finding and winning rare species on the web (as your example about S. augustina).
About Salamis augustina, it is protected and highly endangered on La Reunion because of the disparition of its foodplant.
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Post by nomihoudai on Feb 25, 2011 2:38:16 GMT -8
It's not impossible getting Japanese stuff, they are just like Americans, they don't want sending outside and are frigthened of the foreign. You just have to do a little effort and learn the basics of Japanese to get stuff from there. If you know basic sentence structure you can just use google translate for the more difficult stuff. There is also the possibility of getting a Japanese postal adress to bid on bidders but it costs $$ ( there is companies that just offer these ghost adresses and ship then their stuff to you )
I think I will now sit down and revise my kanji, it's such a beautiful language: 日本語が大好きです。
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Post by lordpandarus on Feb 25, 2011 10:18:45 GMT -8
If he's re-selling it for 900$ so who knows how much it would have taken to out bid him on ebay. I regret not bidding now but there was kind of a last minute bidding war for it and I wasn't sure about quality (listed a1/a1-)
As I said we seem to be getting new species when the Japanese collectors are "done" hoarding them. So at least they should leave normal ebay to us
(sorry I get pissed off when people bid in ebay auctions meant for collector for selfish reasons , like re-selling the specimen on a more exclusive market)
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Post by Khalid Fadil on Feb 25, 2011 20:24:19 GMT -8
My specimens are hardly ever put up for auction, but if they are, I always choose the one who deserves it the most. I don't want any of my specimens going to waste. I don't want any of my specimens going to someone who won't appreciate it.
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Post by nomihoudai on Feb 26, 2011 1:14:44 GMT -8
The startprice is 700$ so I bet you wouldn't have been able to outbid him with less and you would have broken your 100$ rule by far.
What are we even arguying about here ? That someone buys in another country and sells it for more money on a place where demand is higher ? Sorry but then you argue against every dealer on here and even against me as I do the same by buying cheap stock overseas and resell here on insectfairs.
Europe has the same possibility to get any specimen, they jsut have to pay what it is worth as certain prices are high as the demand is high in Japan, just look up the law of demand and offer...
Be glad it went to Japan, now we have a wonderful picture of a wonderful set specimen on our pc. I sure will have to put more effort into mounting after seeing that beautiful specimen.
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Post by lordpandarus on Feb 26, 2011 11:26:07 GMT -8
My argument is that this is more or less "scalping", which is the bane of collectors in every hobby especially on ebay , and it drives them away. Competing with scalpers is one of the most annoying thing for a collector. And since it's from a Japanese seller where they have plenty of stock in their own country it's even more annoying, they don't need to pluck away the best species from ebay
But all this aside yes I do have a nice reference picture of S.augustina now
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Post by papilio28570 on Feb 26, 2011 16:10:17 GMT -8
This is nothing more than old fashion capitalism at its best. It is a shrewd capitalist who sees a product that he can buy and resell at a substantial profit. This Japanese dealer, took a gamble on paying such a high price. He may have to sit on that bug for a long time before reselling at his asking price or he may never be able to sell it without a deep discount. That is the risk inherent in capitalism.
More power to him and I wish him all success.
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Post by lordpandarus on Feb 26, 2011 16:30:11 GMT -8
I don't think he will sell it at that price but he "only" paid 91$ for it (the maximum I think it's actually worth)
In my experience these types of Nymphalids ,even if they are rare, sell for about 50-75$ on ebay normally. And usually less if nobody notices it (this one had an ad in the insectnet classified)
I was ready to bid 75$ for it and fully expected to win it...maybe that's why I'm a bit bitter. I'm pretty sure I'll never see another one either
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Post by africaone on Feb 27, 2011 2:34:28 GMT -8
I can't agree. This butterfly is one of these that will be of interest for more than the Nymphalid collector in the very near future. It is nearly disappeared as it is expected for the most of the small island fauna in Indian Ocean.
It is a protected species and it seems near the extinction. It seems that it is extinct in nature (may be only one locality and not sure) but kept in captivity by a breeder. Only one bad year more (virus, wether, ...) and it will be extinct.
Thierry
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Post by lordpandarus on Feb 27, 2011 9:08:37 GMT -8
I should have bid more more it then. Should have been advertised as A1 ,assuming it's the same specimen
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Post by wollastoni on Feb 28, 2011 0:17:27 GMT -8
I agree with Thierry, S. augustina should be soon disappeared and have been protected for many years by French law.
So, if this specimen is really legal, it can worth many many USD... not sure you will see another one for sale soon...
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Post by lordpandarus on Feb 28, 2011 0:58:37 GMT -8
Then I'm surprised the bidding on ebay didn't go higher.
Just goes to show when it's not Papilionidae or another cult group like Delias or Agrias, prices stay pretty low
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Post by nomihoudai on Feb 28, 2011 1:07:36 GMT -8
I guess 99% of the people did not know what Salamis augustina was ( me included  I googled after you put it up here ). |
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I googled after you put it up here ).