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Post by lucanidae25 on Dec 24, 2013 5:03:35 GMT -8
I love traveling by myself and I wouldn't go with anyone else, I enjoy the freedom to do what ever I want. I couldn't think of anything worse than having someone there with me. Each to their own. I would never make a collecting trip on my own, mainly from a safety point of view. If you fall and break a leg up some remote mountain the likelihood is you will never be found; if you have someone with you they can get help. Also, I don't mind collecting on my own, but I'd get bored to tears in the evenings without anyone to talk to over a beer and discuss the day's catch. Bob I collect day and night, especially at night because beetles are diurnal and nocturnal. I'm too busy collecting at night and I'm alway too tired to want to chat with someone. It would drive me insane to have someone there with me for 6 months and I just want people to leave me alone.
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Post by suzuki on Dec 24, 2013 5:42:19 GMT -8
Having been on a trip with Bob recently I can confirm he does like a beer in the evening and to talk. However he was good company and the safety issue is important. Discussing were to find species and someone's view was also beneficial.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2013 15:09:47 GMT -8
I usually have to go out alone, but greatly prefer a companion collector in those late night hours. Safety is important, but I also like sharing the experience with another who loves it like I do. The trick is to find a true collector friend who can share material and not be hog, one who is cool to be with, and one who contributes to the experience. I honestly only have only a few collector friends who fit the bill. Several of my most memorable collecting trips were with such individuals. I am actually thankful for such quality company.
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Post by sam9710 on Jan 3, 2014 2:14:57 GMT -8
I comes from China. Every years several China collector went Tibet.But most of them go Motuo,Chayu,and so on.There are not Parnassius species,but many other interesting species.Most of Chinese Parnassius are collected from Qinghai,because lots of Tibeten Parnassius are small and not beautiful(Such as P.hunningtoni and acco from Tibet)less Chinese collector collect them.And only a few species have been collected and sold to foreigner. But my friend ever collected in tibet told me,they ever meet some foreign-collector collects in Tibet.
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Post by exoticimports on Jan 3, 2014 11:21:43 GMT -8
Getting there is the real cost. Not just in money, but TIME! Figure 2 days to get to port of entry, then wait for the boat/plane another two days, then another day in some damned canoe, and you're five days just to get on-site.
Once in-country costs typically are minimal. I spent a week on a tropical island with a nice fale, bed, mosquito net, two guides and two cooks, and it cost me US$110- including food and petrol! Of course the plane ticket to get there was US$3000.
Last time I went anywhere with anyone else was 2002, after that by myself. It's not that I won't help someone, or travel with someone, just that 1) I won't go with somebody I have to babysit 2) Schedules never overlap with those I will go with or 3) The other party doesn't want to babysit me! LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 15:14:44 GMT -8
When you go overseas collecting, are you just looking for the big specimens and rarer species? I was just thinking, while out looking, do you take the more common species to sell as wholesale to dealers to make some money back on the cost of the trip? I don't mean rape the forest of hundreds of specimens, but you could be looking for maybe a week till that certain beetle comes along. In that time you could bag yourself a few hundred dollars-pounds-euros back pete
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Post by lucanidae25 on Jan 3, 2014 22:53:27 GMT -8
When you go overseas collecting, are you just looking for the big specimens and rarer species? I was just thinking, while out looking, do you take the more common species to sell as wholesale to dealers to make some money back on the cost of the trip? I don't mean rape the forest of hundreds of specimens, but you could be looking for maybe a week till that certain beetle comes along. In that time you could bag yourself a few hundred dollars-pounds-euros back pete Is it worth it to spend that much and only getting a few hundreds back? ? I got lots of extra Prosopocoilus giraffa and Odontolabis mouhoti mouhoti males, I couldn't even get rid of them for a few hundreds.
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Post by gauthier on Jan 4, 2014 5:40:17 GMT -8
Hello all
This is a dificult question here.
The main scope is, what are you searching for during your trip. If you make a travel with a special species in mind, I'm fairly shure you will be desapointed!
I remember when I was searching Papilio nobicea (=P. maesseni) in Togo. I found it at my third travel. But when you found one, you found all! Even early stages! We must have some experiences to have knowledges!
I'm pretty shure if I go in Andaman Archipelago (under Indian law), I will see The endemic Atrophaneura and may be Papilio mayo, but what's about Graphium epaminondas? We know thats Graphium are elusives.
If you comes here in Comoros, I'm shure you will found P. humbloti, P. epiphorbas ssp. praedicta, P. aristophontes. Graphium levassori or G. evombar ssp. viossati: no ways!!! Turlin in its many travels here never saw those species in the wild. I'm resident here, and I saw my first levassori after 2 full years!
I think for some peculiar species of Delias in NG, it is the same thing.
My two cents.
Alain
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 4, 2014 10:32:17 GMT -8
Very true Alain
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Post by lucanidae25 on Jan 4, 2014 17:48:31 GMT -8
I don't think you will find any one in this world that they only want to catch common sp. Every single person would have a few sp in mind that they're after but a lot of the time it really comes down to funding of the individual. Even if you don't have the know knowledges on how to catch that special species in mind, you can alway pay the locals to collact for you to increase your chances of finding it but you need a whole different set of skills when dealing with locals. A lot of the time you need a lot of money and still end up with nothing at the end.
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Post by kinglol on Feb 21, 2020 17:50:02 GMT -8
I want to know how many other collectors out there are as obsessive as I am when it comes to finding a size or sp of target beetles where countries that have no insect dealer? The only way for me to find the sp I want from countries like Cambodia, Nepal, Sri Lanka...... is to travel there myself but the cost of flying, traveling and labour overseas is on a increase every year. After I came back from my long overseas trips this year, I am asking myself is the money I spent on my trip worth it? I think it's a very high price to pay in oder to find what I want because if I want to sell my catches, there's no way I can get back the money I spent on my trip. How many people out there would collect overseas very year by themselves? There has been alot of topics on how much it costs to buy specimens from ebay but there hasn't been any topics on the costs of traveling and collecting. Hello sir, I am a beetle Collector as well. But I have moved oversea to Australia. Unfortunately I could not find any information about beetle here in Australia. Would you mind leaving your contact here. So we can learn from each other. Thanks
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Post by foxxdoc on Feb 27, 2020 12:46:09 GMT -8
Many of my collecting trips were organized. costs were minimal and a built in friend if needed. What happened to all those trips ??
Many were based out of Gainsville Fla.
Tom
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Post by leptraps on Feb 28, 2020 1:59:40 GMT -8
I have a trip planned for mid-May to Goblin Valley in Utah. This is basically a trip for Heliothinae (Schinia) moths. I have GPS locations. However, the nearest accommodations are over 45 miles from the collecting area.
I have calculated the cost at $300.00 per day, meals not included. There will be two of us and we have travelled extensively together in North America. Car rental, fuel,lodging are the three big expenditures. We are not frugal by any means. However, we enjoy our journeys.
We also pack a little heat. It is in the vehicle. We have never used it. But when you are in the middle of nowhere, it is good to know you have it. We both carry pocket knives.
We have a checklist of things to bring. We also carry contact and medical information. We have a first aid kit, packs of candy, bottled water, and flash lights. We are basically self contained for the journey. Safety comes first in the middle of "No where". Also, we dress appropriately and never take "chances".
And somebody back home knows where we are at all times via "Smart Phones".
We normally get what we came to collect, have a good time doing it. And again, safety first.
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Post by kevinkk on Feb 28, 2020 8:24:12 GMT -8
Interesting reading, I haven't been out the USA collecting for a long time, I went on a collecting tour to the D.R., a lot of nice memories, even though a more experienced person hornswoggled me out of a lot of butterfly specimens. Anyway, now I think it's all permits and politics, I'd like to go overseas, but honestly, it's scary. The money? Shouldn't be an issue, if you like it, that's good enough. Hobbies are expensive, do what you like, and like what you do. I go collecting here, and I go alone, I overcompensate for preparedness, I could probably spend two weeks for what I take on 1 or 2 day trip. What I worry about out in the field are my fellow human beings, not being chomped by a cougar.
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