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Post by papiliotheona on Nov 27, 2013 20:58:07 GMT -8
Adam Cotton has said here in this section that no nation issues CITES permits to recreational collectors, only to licensed companies with a presence in said country that are doing valid research, and sometimes not even for that. I did a little research on my own and indeed that is the case, at least for Asia.
Question: is this part of the stipulation of CITES law, or is this simply what the nations are choosing to do in terms of their implementation of it?
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 28, 2013 13:53:20 GMT -8
Actually I didn't say that, I said that Laos will only issue CITES permits to Lao companies not individuals, not necessarily for research though.
Here in Thailand private individuals can theoretically apply for import and export permits for CITES listed species, as long as they are not also protected under Thai law. I say theoretically because it is not easy and requires legwork and a physical presence at the office in Bangkok, and for imports it requires paperwork from the exporting country in advance of the arrival of the specimens.
Adam.
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Post by papiliotheona on Nov 28, 2013 14:23:33 GMT -8
I thought you also said China, Burma/Myanmar, etc. In China there are "legal" Bhutanitis, but they will not issue CITES papers for private collectors, so in practice there are *no* legal Bhutanitis anywhere these days.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 29, 2013 7:00:16 GMT -8
In China collecting insects is illegal unless you are a government institute employee, so they won't issue CITES permits to private collectors or Chinese exporters of insects either. In reality all Chinese specimens are probably technically illegal under US law, since they were not legally collected in China.
As for Burma/Myanmar, I'm not sure if they even have a CITES office there yet. Theoretically, if they do, it may be possible to obtain permits if you pay enough under the table, as that's the way things work in that country.
I guess that your conclusion "so in practice there are *no* legal Bhutanitis anywhere these days" is probably correct, at least in the USA.
Adam.
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Post by papiliotheona on Nov 29, 2013 9:16:34 GMT -8
I thought that insects can legally be collected in China if you are working under the auspices of a government-sanctioned guide. At least that is what was implied by Chris Grinter's entry for China on his blog. But of course that's worthless if they will not give you a CITES permit.
Are there any places anywhere on planet earth that will issue CITES permits to private collectors or is this forbidden by CITES?
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