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Post by johnnyboy on Oct 27, 2013 1:36:39 GMT -8
I got this selection of moths from the AES Kempton Park show too. I only really wanted the Endoxyla encalypti male, the rest were a bonus. Only cost me £10-00 ($15-00) for the whole box so a good bargain.  Johnny |
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Post by rumina on Dec 17, 2013 6:42:40 GMT -8
Johnni hello, I'm not a great expert on tropical moth and do not collect them. Of course if you had at a fair this small series I would think to purchase. An information, the fourth exx to the left (blue and black) is a geometriide?
beautiful
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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 17, 2013 7:28:00 GMT -8
The 3 Zygaenids on the right are Histia flabellicornis, and if what I can see of the label of the lowest reads Bali, then it is Histia libelluloides baliensis female according to Endo & Kishida, 1999.
It would be helpful to us all if you tell us the data for each specimen, at least country.
Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 17, 2013 7:33:50 GMT -8
PS. It could also be a mainland Chinese P. bianor bianor. This specimen seems to have more red on the hindwing upperside than I would expect for Taiwanese bianor. Of course this is the usual problem of specimens without data, I can only make a judgement based on what I can see, and try to bear in mind the variability of each population.
Adam.
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Post by homard on Dec 17, 2013 11:03:56 GMT -8
Nice bonus I'd say  Adam, bravo for ID of Zygaenids! Did not know you're specialist not only in Papilionidae  Rumina, the moth you asked for is indeed Geometridae, Ennomiinae, genus Bracca. Perhaps B. maculosa or a closely related species. Below the Bracca it is the Geometrid too, Geometrinae, looks like bleached Thanaorhinus rafflesii who lost his natural green colouration (due to exposing to water wapours in relaxer). Above Bracca there Donuca rubropicta (Butler) uppper (Noctuidae ,Catocalinae), the lower is perhaps Erebus ephesperis (Erebidae) Alex |
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Post by rumina on Dec 18, 2013 6:17:59 GMT -8
thanks homard , thanks Adam. in the near future if I were to take a collection of tropical geometriidi and Noctuidae know who to ask for information.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 18, 2013 6:28:44 GMT -8
Adam, bravo for ID of Zygaenids! Did not know you're specialist not only in Papilionidae Actually I'm hardly a specialist in any butterflies or moths other than Papilionidae, but I happen to have a copy of the Zygaenid book for this region; and of course since I live in Thailand, I try to have literature on local butterflies and moths in general. In reality I would recommend you treat any non-Papilionid identifications I may make as tentative rather than authoritative. Adam. |
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Post by homard on Dec 19, 2013 0:31:01 GMT -8
Dear Rumina, Please don't overestimate my modest knowledge. As Adam, I'm more specialised in narrow fields. But of course I'm trying to learn more. Fortunately, these particular moths were relatively easy case, if you know initially their higher classification (at least family) and where to look for possible ID. So like Adam said, you should treat my IDs the same way - more tentative than authoritative. Alex |
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Post by rumina on Dec 19, 2013 6:51:38 GMT -8
Hi Homard, do not worry. I think that before I'll venture into the knowledge of the tropical Noctuidae and Geometridae l'll have to complete the European Noctuidae who, as you know, are several thousand and I think I will need a few more years .....
I think all of you as I started and I'm still mainly following the Palearctic and ropalocera there something I can say about ..... modestly.
For some years, however, with the moth traps realized by my brother (among other really performing) we are entering into the incredible world of Geometridae and Noctuidae and sincerely are so fascinated by the discoveries that you can do today in Europe that I think I 'll stop here .............. maybe in the next life ................ I'd like to papua, indonesia and Australia .................. to begin ................
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Post by homard on Dec 19, 2013 23:27:52 GMT -8
Rumina: if you wish to collect seriously Palaearctic Noctuidae and Geometridae, perhaps you should forget about tropic ones. What we have got here will be enough till the end of one's life, for sure you'll need another life for more BTW, please check your private mailbox here. I've wrote you yesterday but you probably did not notice. |
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Post by rumina on Dec 20, 2013 3:31:16 GMT -8
I fully agree with you. Do you think a friend of mine has chosen to focus solely on Italian Heterocera ..... and maybe he's right .............
I myself have done some hunting in Liguria (.............. a paradise), and I discovered two new species for Italy.
not only my friend that I mentioned before has discovered two years ago, by chance, a new Arctiidae (Rhyparioides Metelcana) for Italy .......... in short, to do too much with us
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Post by homard on Dec 21, 2013 0:01:53 GMT -8
Wow! You've discovered Rhyparioides metelkana for Italy??!!
Incredible! This very local species was previously known from Hungary only,
and locally in Siberia and Far East of Russia! Congrats!!
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Post by vgashtarov on Dec 21, 2013 0:12:24 GMT -8
Wow! You've discovered Rhyparioides metelkana for Italy??!! Incredible! This very local species was previously known from Hungary only, and locally in Siberia and Far East of Russia! Congrats!! I think there is one historical report from Bulgaria (N. Black sea Coast), I have one from Romania collected back in 1987 in Danube delta.  |
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Post by homard on Dec 21, 2013 0:22:52 GMT -8
Anyway it remains very isolated and restricted in it's distribution species. I only recently got
my first pair from Europe.
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Post by rumina on Dec 21, 2013 6:26:44 GMT -8
hi dear, and think that I finding experienced in direct mail. I got a call at 22.00 in which I wondered if there was a arctidae that resembled the Italian Diacrisia Sannio but smaller and with lower wings pink ......... I told him to sit down before you tell him the name of the species. do you think it took them a hundred in a night ........ an invasion ...
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