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Post by charlie22 on Sept 10, 2013 20:49:08 GMT -8
Butt.usf.pdf (1.13 MB) Collecting is banned for some butterflies on Forest Service land in Nevada
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Post by papiliotheona on Sept 15, 2013 16:17:42 GMT -8
Bruce Boyd of Las Vegas, NV is behind this bull****.
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Post by vabrou on Oct 6, 2013 18:03:59 GMT -8
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Post by papiliotheona on Oct 9, 2013 8:09:37 GMT -8
Charlie22 is the Forest Service. The Humboldt-Toiyabe NF and FWS reached a sweetheart deal this summer regarding the listing of charlestonensis.
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Post by charlie22 on May 31, 2014 8:03:16 GMT -8
Papiliotheona - just read your post. I am NOT the forest service! To quote the great President Reagan " government is the problem!"
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Post by exoticimports on Jun 4, 2014 6:38:25 GMT -8
Who cares what the source is? Information can keep you out of trouble!
It would be GREAT if the government (particularly USFWS) was pro-active on things like this...too many times people get caught up because of local rules or things buried in Federal Register or because we just don't know how some government agent will interpret something.
I've said it before, I wish USFWS didn't just sit and read this site, they participated. We may not like the answer, but at least there is an answer.
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Post by jonathan on Jun 5, 2014 4:20:17 GMT -8
When I read about the US environmental laws, I always thank God that I'm a European ;-) There are butterfly collectors and there are poachers. Being one doesn't necessary mean you're the other too!! But some countries do not distinguish between a poacher and a hobbyist. It's very important to have rules which protect the fauna but laws cannot be applied to everyone alike. It depends on the intentions of the individual.
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Post by joee30 on Jun 5, 2014 10:41:02 GMT -8
From what it shows, this is only relegated to the Spring Mountains in Clark County. You can still collect in the rest of Humboldt-Toiyabe NF. The only other species that is protected in this part of Nevada(Northern), is that Sand Mt. Blue (Euphilotes pallecens arenamontana) because of it's habitat which is a very nice big dune E. of Fallon, NV, and it's host plant, which is only found in that dune. I have collected in some of the NF lands here in the Reno area and never had any issue with rangers.
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Post by joee30 on Jun 5, 2014 11:01:07 GMT -8
Also, that pdf isn't prohibiting collecting in the NF, rather than in the Spring Mts. NATIONAL recreation area. That I can kinda understand. I find it ironic that in Sand Mt., they try to protect the Sand Mt. blue from collectors, yet it's habitat is in BLM land, and is mostly used by OHV's, which wreck habitat big time. They also have some diminutive scarabs that are only found in that dune too.
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Post by jshuey on Jun 6, 2014 4:58:49 GMT -8
When I read about the US environmental laws, I always thank God that I'm a European ;-) Let me just note that here in the US, almost all National Forest land and Bureau of Land Management land (which can total over half of many western states) is open to non-commercial collectors. It really isn't that bad and there is no "federal conspiracy" to kill collecting as a hobby or profession by locking up all there land holdings. John.
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Post by exoticimports on Jun 6, 2014 11:08:09 GMT -8
When I read about the US environmental laws, I always thank God that I'm a European ;-) Let me just note that here in the US, almost all National Forest land and Bureau of Land Management land (which can total over half of many western states) is open to non-commercial collectors. It really isn't that bad and there is no "federal conspiracy" to kill collecting as a hobby or profession by locking up all there land holdings. John. Except in the east, where it's primarily state park land ("take nothing") and national parks. What's not asphalt and housing, that is.
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Post by jshuey on Jun 7, 2014 8:06:41 GMT -8
Granted there is no BLM land in the east, but in my neighborhood, the US forest service is still the largest public landholder in states like Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky and Illinois - and it’s all open to collecting. And state parks are generally easy to get permits for if you are willing to do something resembling an inventory and you get them final reports.
John
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Post by papiliotheona on Aug 13, 2014 10:56:41 GMT -8
Granted there is no BLM land in the east, but in my neighborhood, the US forest service is still the largest public landholder in states like Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky and Illinois - and it’s all open to collecting. And state parks are generally easy to get permits for if you are willing to do something resembling an inventory and you get them final reports. John Not California and Florida state parks.
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Post by bugdude56 on Sept 17, 2014 12:59:16 GMT -8
I always thank God that I'm a European ;-) I thank God you are too!
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Post by lepidofrance on Sept 28, 2014 23:48:35 GMT -8
When I read about the US environmental laws, I always thank God that I'm a European ;-) Once I was driving by car near the Death Valley near a small town called Beaty. My car broke down and I stop along the road in the desert. Park ranger arrives to tell me that it is illegal to park at this location: in the desert! Incomprehensible to a European. Another time, along the Cape Cod peninsula, I stopped (one minute) to take a picture of the landscape. Another park ranger (or police) comes to tell me that it is illegal to park in this place and to take pictures. And advised me to go a few miles further to the "picture spot" or "photo point". The idea of making the same photo as all visiting tourists did not suit me at all. Again, incomprehensible to a European!
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