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Post by jw on Aug 9, 2012 17:57:00 GMT -8
Hey everyone,
If I were to by specimens that are not native to the United States from a seller located in Florida it would be legal without filling out a form or having to go through any special steps since the specimens were already imported right? I could just buy it and have it shipped USPS straight to me?
Now if it is legal to buy them without the extra steps could I also sell the ones I bought from the u.s. sellers to others with out filling out forms and having a liscense myself? Once it's in the country do all the import laws disappear or do you still have to keep up with it when reselling since that are not native to the u.s.?
Thanks a lot guys!
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Post by admin on Aug 10, 2012 10:05:47 GMT -8
Non-native insect livestock is the problem. Illegal to trade across state lines without permit - and you would not be able to get a permit anyway.
Non-native dead insect trading across state lines does not require a permit, once the specimens are already inside the USA. Getting them into the USA does require a permit.
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Post by jw on Aug 10, 2012 18:11:04 GMT -8
Thank you Clark!
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Post by jw on Dec 19, 2012 11:56:54 GMT -8
So instead of staring a new thread I decided to post a new question here.
If someone in the U.S. is selling dried specimens on the CITES list with collection info but no additional paperwork is it legal to buy it?
I know this would be legal if it wasn't on the CITES list but from what I've been reading I've been getting mixed messages. On one hand it seems like the CITES list is to protect international trade so if it is already in the US with plans to stay in the US I'd think it would be OK to buy or sell. On the other hand some areas make it seem like any sale at all of any species on the list is illegal.
Insight anyone?
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Post by jw on Dec 19, 2012 12:06:46 GMT -8
To give a little more info the species in Dynastes satanas falling under Appendix II
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 18:31:35 GMT -8
Cites 1 is off limits.
Cities 2 is able to be legally bought in the US. The seller providing Cites numbers would be ideal. As long as you have a receipt showing you bought it here from here ( in the US), one should be ok. Where one has to fill out forms and deal with Cites is when one imports a Cities into the U S. Now if the importer errors, it is possible the specimen could be seized,for it was brought into the country illegally, but the buyer is not in trouble for buying it.
Do know that I no longer import, but used to quite a bit. My words are based on years of dealing with the USFW and numerous questions. Looking into the pre2011 archives might be helpful in that many posts on this topic were done.
Dealing with live material is another story and will require additional paperwork with the USDA.
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Post by mygala on Dec 19, 2012 22:51:41 GMT -8
From the Federal point of view (USFWS), legally possessed CITES II wildlife can be traded both interstate and intrastate with no legal encumbrance. That is, as long as it is legal within the state laws of the states involved.
You should be good with the Dynastes. Addtionally, since it was so recently listed, much of what is here in the US is pre-CITES, so even buying it with plans for exporting it shouldn't be too much of a hassle.
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