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Post by mokky on Jun 4, 2012 1:22:49 GMT -8
Hi guys, Mr. Curt Eisner (1890-1981) who has a great contribution to the study of Parnassius has visited Japan in 1961. At RIEB (The Research Institute of Evolutionary Biology) in Tokyo preserves some specimens and references of him. More story is... bsj-t.blogspot.jp/2012/06/eisners-visit-to-japan-story-of-world.htmlThe figured specimen is Japanese Clouded Apollo ( Parnassius citrinarius) collected by Mr. Eisner in 1961. Mokky Attachments:
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Post by wollastoni on Jun 4, 2012 4:17:27 GMT -8
Very nice article mokky about a great entomologist !
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Post by mokky on Jun 4, 2012 4:30:12 GMT -8
Thank you, wollastoni!
I was greatly touched by the friendship between such a famous entomologist and Japanese colleagues.
Now the world became a bit smaller thanks to the advance of information technology. We are able to communicate each other easily by usuing the internet. We are lucky, aren't you?
Mokky
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Post by ladobe on Jun 4, 2012 9:29:00 GMT -8
Thanks for the reminder mokky.  I communicated with Mr. Eisner a few times via mail, probably 45+ years ago. I had studied and reared the Parnassinae as one of my specialties since the early 60's, so he was an easy choice to communicate with on the Palearctic species especially. Might even still be some specimens in my synoptic collection that came from him - maybe even letters from him. The Internet certainly has made the world small. Before it all my communication with other lepidoptersits' around the world was via letters, phone calls or when in the field with some of them. |
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Post by dertodesking on Jun 5, 2012 12:58:58 GMT -8
Thanks for posting the link Mokky  A very good read (I just wish Google translate worked a bit better!) and your blog is great! Simon |
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Post by mokky on Jun 5, 2012 15:18:52 GMT -8
Dear ladobe Thank you for your precious information! Wow, 45+ years ago!? Long before my birth  Your memory with Mr. Eisner is also a beautiful story. Thank you for sharing. Cheers, Mokky Thanks for the reminder mokky. I communicated with Mr. Eisner a few times via mail, probably 45+ years ago. I had studied and reared the Parnassinae as one of my specialties since the early 60's, so he was an easy choice to communicate with on the Palearctic species especially. Might even still be some specimens in my synoptic collection that came from him - maybe even letters from him. The Internet certainly has made the world small. Before it all my communication with other lepidoptersits' around the world was via letters, phone calls or when in the field with some of them. |
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Post by mokky on Jun 5, 2012 15:25:05 GMT -8
Dear radusho Thank you for telling me very interesting story! I did not know there are so many subspecies of Parnassius apollo in Slovakia. For European people, this butterfly seems very "special" because it is considerably large and beautiful. In addition there are so many local forms or varieties. It is very sad that some of the subspecies in Slovakia has gone extinct...  Mokky Mr. Curt Eisner visited also Slovakia, and not only once, but several times. He worked together with the best Slovak lepidopterologist ever Jan Zelny. Eisner named a new ssp. after this Slovak collector Parnassius apollo zelnyi Eisner 1974. Zelny together with Eisner described these ssp.  . apollo braniskoi Zelny & Eisner 1977, P. apollo antiquus Zelny & 1974, P. apollo oraviensis 1969. Eisner was just fascinated by the variability of Slovak apollos and he wrote many articles about our Parnassius. There are many specimens of Parnassius (not only Slovak ones) in Eisner collection which were collected by Zelny. I am posting here a female of P. apollo braniskoi PARATYPUS from Slovak National Museum (only 8 females were collected in paratype series). This ssp. is now extinct in Slovakia. |
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Post by mokky on Jun 5, 2012 15:28:34 GMT -8
Dear Simon Thank you for your comment. I have one qusetion, do you use Google translate? Actually I write my blog both in Japanese and English. I think you do not have to use Google translate. I have no idea what happens...  Mokky Thanks for posting the link Mokky A very good read (I just wish Google translate worked a bit better!) and your blog is great! Simon |
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Post by dertodesking on Jun 6, 2012 9:32:31 GMT -8
Dear Simon Thank you for your comment. I have one qusetion, do you use Google translate? Actually I write my blog both in Japanese and English. I think you do not have to use Google translate. I have no idea what happens... Mokky Thanks for posting the link Mokky A very good read (I just wish Google translate worked a bit better!) and your blog is great! Simon Hi Mokky, Whenever I open your blog I get a pop-up message in the google toolbar saying "the page is in Japanese. Translate?" (or words to that effect). I've always clicked "yes" and let Google do its stuff...it comes out understandable but, as a native English speaker, some the the sentence structure is "unusual". I have no doubt the translation is accurate and put it down to the differences between sentence structure etc when you compare the Japanese and English languages. I'll click "no" next time...I wasn't aware that you did an English language entry...I've always assumed Google did the translation for me. Anyway...like I said...the blog is very interesting - keep it up  Simon |
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Post by mokky on Jun 6, 2012 15:27:31 GMT -8
Dear Radovan Thank you for your interesting information. It is a great pity that Apollo in your country is declining rapidly. Before it goes extinct, we need to secure enough specimens for further study. Unless this, we can never slove the mystery on the origin of Apllo. I guess Apollo should be easy to protect the population in good condition if the habitats and foodplants are kept. Here in Japan, Japanese Clouded Apollo ( Paranassius citrinarius) is apparently increasing in number in these decades. The reason is, in my opinion, farmers become old and give up taking care of thier fields. As a result, those fields become suitable habitat for this species. Mokky Dear Mokky, we have/had 14 ssp. of apollo in Slovakia and 5 of them is extinct nowadays, unfortunately. In the past we had 570 localities (this butterfly was common in the past and was flying in huge numbers in suitable biotops) of apollo, nowadays only 20-30. Slovak puplations are very variable and the autors are still arguing about our ssp. if they are, or if they are not valid. Also oppinions about origin are different. Ssp. nitriensis is believed to come from Alps (very simillar ssp. to ssp. cetius) others is believed that come from Asia in 2 waves. All these specimens from 3 origins have mixed and that caused so big variability of Slovak apollos. Only DNA analysis of all known populations would solve this mystery Radovan |
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Post by mokky on Jun 6, 2012 15:34:58 GMT -8
Dear Simon Please try the following procedure. [Tool]---[Option]---[Settings] to check "off" the box of [Offer to translate pages that aren't in a language I read] After this, you will not see a pop-up messeage anymore.@you can read my original English, perhaps... Now my biggest concern is my English is poorer than Google traslate!! ;D Thank you for enjoying my blog! Hava a nice day, Mokky [/quote] Hi Mokky, Whenever I open your blog I get a pop-up message in the google toolbar saying "the page is in Japanese. Translate?" (or words to that effect). I've always clicked "yes" and let Google do its stuff...it comes out understandable but, as a native English speaker, some the the sentence structure is "unusual". I have no doubt the translation is accurate and put it down to the differences between sentence structure etc when you compare the Japanese and English languages. I'll click "no" next time...I wasn't aware that you did an English language entry...I've always assumed Google did the translation for me. Anyway...like I said...the blog is very interesting - keep it up Simon[/quote] |
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Post by mokky on Jun 6, 2012 15:43:33 GMT -8
One more information for European colleagues.
One of the biggest Parnassius collectors in Japan, Mr KAWASAKI Yuichi has passed away in 2010. He was young (57 years old) but could not resist the illness. He visited many museums and earnestly joined many fairs held in Europe. Some of the people on this InsectNet may know him.
Recently his huge Parnassius collection including many types and rare species/subspecies was brought to Leiden where Eisner's collection is preserved.
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Post by mokky on Jun 7, 2012 13:32:15 GMT -8
Dear radusho Thank you for telling me another interesting story. Apollo's habitat is associated with sheeps. I did not imagine such situation. Apollo seems to have been prosperous in harmony with traditional human life. Same thing is true in our endemic swallowtail ( Luehdorfia japonica) [see bsj-t.blogspot.jp/2012/05/movie-file-japanese-luehdorfia.html]. This species likes sunny secondary forests treated by humans because its foodplant is abundant in these environments. But nowadays human life has changed and no need to treat forests for getting fire woods, forests became too dark for its foodplant to grow. Thus this species is declining. Mokky Hello Mokky, apollo will not become extinct. There are already environmental managements on many localities, also breeding programs. I have also one research in the High Tatras (monitoring+marking adults on their wings to find out the numbers and protect them against collectors). In a few years I plan some managements on localities here, but at first I have to know the bionomy, which is different from locality to locality. In Slovakia the problem is oposite to yours. In the past we had a lot of sheeps in alpine meadows, so Sedum plants were very common, but now, the pasturage ended with the arrival of agricultural machines and National parks, so the meadows started to grow over and it caused disappearing of the hostplants and the butterfly too. Radovan |
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Post by mokky on Jun 7, 2012 13:41:03 GMT -8
Dear dertodesking Thank you for your comment. I opened another new blog only in English. It was not so hard to prepare it. Only to copy and paste the original texts and arrange them neatly. Please check it up. bsj-t.blogspot.jp/2012/06/eisners-visit-to-japan-story-of-world.htmlI did not imagine that you are annoyed by garbage characters in my blog because you do not install Japanese font in you PC. Very sorry for the inconvenience... From now on you must enjoy my blog without any trouble. Any comment, opinion and feedback is always welcome. It is a good exercise of my English writing. If you find any mistake or inappropriate expression in my blog, please be kindly to tell me. Cheers, Mokky Dear Simon Thank you for your comment. I have one qusetion, do you use Google translate? Actually I write my blog both in Japanese and English. I think you do not have to use Google translate. I have no idea what happens... Mokky Hi Mokky, Whenever I open your blog I get a pop-up message in the google toolbar saying "the page is in Japanese. Translate?" (or words to that effect). I've always clicked "yes" and let Google do its stuff...it comes out understandable but, as a native English speaker, some the the sentence structure is "unusual". I have no doubt the translation is accurate and put it down to the differences between sentence structure etc when you compare the Japanese and English languages. I'll click "no" next time...I wasn't aware that you did an English language entry...I've always assumed Google did the translation for me. Anyway...like I said...the blog is very interesting - keep it up Simon |
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Post by ladobe on Jun 7, 2012 16:20:38 GMT -8
Mokky,
Getting off topic some here, but thought this might interest you.
I dug into some of my old Lepidopteran correspondance files to see if I still had any letters from Mr. Eisner. Didn't find any in that box as it was all from many years later, and mostly from the Parnassinae collaborations and rearing I did with Lepidopterists' in the USSR before and after the end of the Cold War.
But I did come across dozens from old contacts in Japan that I collaborated, exchanged specimens and livestock of from many families with in the 1980's and 1990's. Maybe you'll know of some of them as your fellow countrymen...
Ohona Yoshiaki, Shin-ichi Ohshima, Yoshiya Iwamoto, Atsuo Ohya, Toshio Inomata and Yasuyuki Watanabe.
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. apollo braniskoi Zelny & Eisner 1977, P. apollo antiquus Zelny & 1974, P. apollo oraviensis 1969. Eisner was just fascinated by the variability of Slovak apollos and he wrote many articles about our Parnassius. There are many specimens of Parnassius (not only Slovak ones) in Eisner collection which were collected by Zelny.
