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Post by panzerman on Jan 2, 2011 17:53:32 GMT -8
Anyone have the latest info concerning status of bhutanitis ludlowi, any recent captures? John Kamps  |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 4, 2011 7:25:12 GMT -8
In short, no & no!
I should add though that reports in Chinese literature are based on supposition rather than any actual records.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 8:08:48 GMT -8
In short, no & no! I should add though that reports in Chinese literature are based on supposition rather than any actual records. Adam. Is ludlowi just a incredibly rare hybrid never likely to be seen again? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 8:09:53 GMT -8
that was me Dunc who pozsted that, have not figured this thing out yet.
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Post by maurizio on Jan 4, 2011 15:13:32 GMT -8
A friend told me that some ludlowi were collected by japaneses about twenty years ago, but I really doubt. Moreover he told me that a friend of him, who lives in Bhutan, catched a single specimen on August 2009 (or, maybe, August 2008, I don't remember). He promised to forward the image of the actual specimen which he received by e-mail. If I will receive the image, I will share it with you all, obviously.
I recently translated from japanese many papers on Bhutan by Harada, Igarashi and Yazaki, and published on Yadoriga and Tyo to Ga on early '80. I was looking for any report of recently collected ludlowi, but in vain. They collected only lidderdalii, even if they never sampled the Eastern Bhutan (Trashi Yangtse District). Quite recently (2006) Bhutanitis lidderdalii was reported also from Eaglenest wildlife sanctuary (western Arunachal Pradesh). The area lies at no more than 70-80 km SE of Trashiyangtsi Valley, so I am wondering if they ever collected, or even simply sighted, ludlowi, but misidentified it.
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Post by maurizio on Jan 4, 2011 16:08:11 GMT -8
Is ludlowi just a incredibly rare hybrid never likely to be seen again? I think it is not an hybrid. Only lidderdalii and ludlowi are present in Bhutan, so, based on your hypothesis, the hybrid would be between lidderdalii and ?what species?. Moreover Gabriel says that 5 specimens were collected (three males and two females), even if he lists only four specimens belonging to the type series. The single report (Chou, 1992) of B. ludlowi from China is quite strange. The author does not state at all that the specimen was collected in China, but only that it is hold in HuDieQuan butterfly Museum of DaLi, Yunnan. Subsequently the same author (1998, Monograph of Chinese Butterflies, revised edition) gives a brief description of the species and a distribution as "Yunnan". Even if the specimen is ludlowi (at least, I think it is ludlowi), I am still quite perplex about its true origin. |
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Post by inopinatus on Jan 7, 2011 11:53:51 GMT -8
"Hi John - I have news on a specimen that was taken two years ago - but subject to verification but it appears there is a population. Problem is short stay visas and Bhutan does not allow ANY collecting. I will give the news to Adam also - sorry but having problems with the forum to sign in. Cheers Greg
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Wow. This would be great news for a mythical lep.
Greg , would it be possible to have more info on the circumstances of this re-discovery?
Has Bhutan been largely explored by entomologists during the past decades, or is it still some kind of terra incognita?
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Post by krupten on Jan 15, 2011 6:30:30 GMT -8
Sorry for the delay to respond. l was interested in ludlowii so I went to my guru of Paps - Adam Cotton who shared the original description paper with me. I went to the maps (this was what took the time) and studied the topography of the local area and there is a place that is just perfect for Bhutanitis - BUT - always that BUT that gets me. IT IS IN A NATIONAL PARK and whilst entrance is not forbidden - collection is and wandering around creates too many suspicions in this strictly Buddhist nation. I also heard thru a friend that TWO specimens WERE taken by a local collector trained by a european who now is protecting this find most likely whilst he prepares to publish or will he? IF he does - there will be ripples of the captures into many areas - not the least is the fact they are totally ILLEGAL! In any case there is a scenario I am working on but I have a long way to go.
Like many things it is just NOT COLLECTED as opposed to rare and I believe like its relatives they are just local and thus once you are in the correct area - there will be plenty.
I know this is a "nebulous" response but for the time being it is all I can share and with luck and some politically correct negotiations we may see them again soon. Cheers Greg
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Post by inopinatus on Dec 25, 2011 13:44:40 GMT -8
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Post by benihikage92 on Dec 25, 2011 21:28:30 GMT -8
The following is a TV program by NHK (Japan Broadcasting Corporation) aired in November.
Part 1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2011 3:26:13 GMT -8
WOW did I really just see that, its almost surreal, I wonder if they will ever come onto the market.
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Post by wollastoni on Dec 26, 2011 3:36:22 GMT -8
Great news ! Fantastic butterfly !
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Post by africaone on Dec 26, 2011 4:04:02 GMT -8
yes great news $$$ for poachers ! they know where to look for !
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Post by anthony on Dec 26, 2011 6:54:32 GMT -8
A great set of videos and promising news, we will hope for the best.
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Post by checkerspot on Dec 26, 2011 10:31:25 GMT -8
Incredible film!!!! Thanks for the links.
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